New Ford partially aluminum F150 again

JDemaris

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Just read the new test results for the new Ford F150. I'm impressed. It even beats the four-cylinder Toyota Tacoma with fuel mileage.

The F150 with the 2.7 Eco-Boost got 19 MPG "around town" and 26 MPG on the highway.

It easily beats the Italian Dodge Ram 150 diesel - with initial cost and actual cost of fuel per mile.

Italian tax-dollar supported Dodge Ram Eco-diesel: 20 MPG "mixed" and 28 MPG highway.

US American Ford F150 Eco-boost gas: 19 MPG mixed and 26 MPG highway

Partly union-owned, tax-dollar supported Chevy with 5.3 V8 gas: 16 MPG mixed and 23 MPG highway

Note that the Eco-boost option for the Ford is an extra $500. The Eco-diesel option on the Dodge is an extra $4700.

With fuel prices where I am:

Ford drives 500 miles on the highway for $56.70 in gas. Ford drives 100 miles "in town" for $15.52 in gas.

Dodge diesel drives 500 miles on the highway for $78.39 in diesel fuel. Dodge drives 100 miles "in town" for $21.95.

I want a new Ford. I'll just live another 20 years to buy a used 2015 truck (to make it cost-effective).
 
In summer, I get 18 mpg driving locally, 20 highway. 13 mpg pulling a trailer. That's with a 2007 full size GMC 6 cylinder work truck loaded with 3 tool boxes. My winter mileage drops about 2 mpg on winter blend fuel. When I sell scrap, my truck weighs in around 5500#. I have to stay in truck. Yes, weight matters, but just how much? I probably have 700# of tools in my truck. Will removing them really do that much for mey mileage?
 
Surprised we haven't seen a new El Camino/Ranchero.

Those are good mileage numbers but I wonder how much grunt this thing will have. I do see that it's turbo equipped.

I have the 3.0L Duratec in a 500 and it has been very reliable and efficient. It's an RPM motor though and will drop gears and wind like you wouldn't believe while passing or getting on the highway. I don't know if the 2.7 shares any of the architecture but if they build it with the same philosophy it should be very reliable.

The 500 is the only Ford I own and I'm very happy with it. Everything else is Chevy and rather old. Only one of my Chevrolets has a computer.

I would definately not buy the little Fiat diesel.
 
You can get the dodge with a v6 3.6l and it'll get 26mpg also which would be like your ecoboost.

You can also get the 5.7 hemi 395hp and 410 torque
With 22mpg

I'd personally take the hemi even if you were short a little on fuel at least if you wanted to pull its gonna leave everyone else in your rear view mirror and you can also say you have a v8
 
New Dodge Ram 150 with 3.6 tests at 17 MPG and 25 MPG. New Ford tests with 2.7 turbo tests at 19 MPG and 26 MPG.
 
George,
Dropping the tools would help but wont get you the same numbers as a new Ford or any other new truck for that matter.

Your 2007 V6 has a 4 speed transmission. A new truck would have AFM (active fuel management) to run on 4 cylinders under light loads. A 6 speed or 8 speed transmission. All those little things add up.

Rick
 
That depends on what kind of driving you do. I have read that in continuous driving on level ground weight is not a big factor, within reason. Stop and go driving and hills is where it does. One example is from our home to the cabin is 115 miles, only 2 stop signs and relatively flat. Whether or not we have a load of firewood in the truck does not make a big difference, but the wind sure can!
 
I assume weight matters a lot for stop and go driving and not-so-much for highway driving.

We're talking EPA numbers here, not necessarily what everyone gets in real-world driving. I've used a 2007 2WD truck quite a bit with the V6. I never got better then 14-15 MPG in mixed driving.
EPA rates it (GM V6) at 15 "in town" and 19 MPG highway in a 2WD full-size truck.
 
I guess I should of given more facts with my own experience. I'm driving in hills and often 1800 foot altitude. I'm sure lower height and less hills would show better fuel mileage. Thus the reason why I go by the EPA numbers. All vehicles tested under the same conditions.
 
For what it is worth, the latest Truck Trend (Jan/Feb) issue, had tested the 2.7l doing mostly 65-70 mph highway driving and they observed 16.7 mpgs. Other journalists (sorry, can't remember the sources) have had the ram eco diesel seeing over 30 mpgs. I don't understand why folks are so negative on the ecodiesel, if you can see nearly double the fuel economy in the real world, does paying a little more for fuel make it that bad? Not for me anyway.
 

The fuel mileage figures on the window stickers are EPA ESTIMATED, based on IDEAL conditions. Actual fuel mileage will be lower. Makes no difference on who built the truck.
 
I still have a 2009 F 150 with a 5.4 I can get 21 highway with it and 16-17 driving around. Pulling my trailer with the tractor it's 11 or so. No etc boost for me.
 

I had a 99 3/4 ton GMC HD. It would pull anything, but the milage never seemed to vary much. Towing a trailer that weighed 2400 lbs empty + a 6K tractor got about 10 or 11 mpg. Mostly flat ground around here. Empty, maybe 13 or 14 mpg. I did find that it rode a lot better with 1000 lbs or so in the bed. Empty, it didn't ride very well, with a little weight back there, it rode like a Cadillac. It had the 6.0l gas in it. I sold it last year for $6K, had 90k on it.
 
Yep, and what is actually meant by EPA Estimated is that the
manufacturer "estimates" them based on EPA rules to make
sure their whole product line meets the gas mileage requirements.
It is in the manufactures' best interest to get those numbers up.
Some have already been caught inflating the numbers a bit.
The EPA then spot checks 10-15% of models. 200-250 cars/year.
One source - Car and Driver
 
I recently bought a Ford Focus and was surprised to
see that the actual mileage I was getting was the
same or better than the sticker EPA estimate. About
5 to 10% worse around the hills of CT but about 10
to 15% better on the flat lands of MI. It was also
disappointingly worse on the 75-80 MPH highways but
considerably better than the estimates at 55-60 MPH.
 
I would stick with the 4-cylinder Tacoma; those are really reliable engines and doesn't have all the other problems that Ford builds into their vehicles to increase their parts sales.
 
those sticker results are way over rated estimates. you will never get those results on the road.
 
No ya won't G1355. I own a Dodge 1500 w/ the 5.7 (2012)and one of my SIL's owns a 3.6 liter, (2014) The 5.7 will do 14.5 to a very best of 21 hwy, but 'normal' is 16 to 17. The 3.6 will easily do 21 empty, give it a little wind or a full load in the bed and it's 17 or 18. A good friend/neighbor owns a 3.5 ecoboost F150, he can beat that empty,(not by much however), with a good load or fighting a wind and his 'drops like a rock' (his words, not mine). I'll say either are OK pickups, I don't have any amount of brand loyalty. No mfgr. pays me a cent to say anything good about their product.
 
I know a couple people with ecoboost trucks and they don't get anywhere close to those gas figures.Fords being sued over that engine now for false gas claims and tubro problems.
 
JD, many years ago someone told me an old 'rule' that said every 500 lbs. would lower mileage by one mpg. My own experience with that say's it's not really that bad unless it's a tall load that sticks up in the air a bit. I hauled a popup truck camper for years. That thing caused any truck to drop 4 to 6 mpg !! I know most people will think I'm full of crap, but the worst thing I've done to shoot myself in the foot (mileage wise) was installing a good grill guard. But when you live in deer country, maybe it's worth it !
 
jdemaris - It's not polite to confuse the Government Motors and Dodge/Fiat people with facts. I do own a 2012 Eco-Boost which replaced a one ton diesel. Best move I ever made. My fifth wheel weighs 9,000# and the Eco-Boost pulls it every bit as good without the initial cost and extra maintenance (15 quarts of oil / fuel filters for example), noise and smell. My turbos are just fine and I've never heard of anyone that had to replace one.
 
Ferd, Most of the people that bad mouth the Ecoboost engines don't have one or haven't driven one. I have 2, one in a 2014 Escape A 2.0 and one and one in 2011 150. They both get as good or better than the epa ratings. The Ecoboost engines aren't about max mpg, they are 2 engines in one, they make a lot of horsepower and a lot of torque for their size and can give very good mpg if you keep a light foot., i if you drive like you stole it will get the mpg goes down accordingly. I saw a test where they ran a 2.7 ecoboost towing 7000lbs. up 6% grade and 3 mile run against the ram ecodiesel, they started side by side and the 2.7 beat the ram by 43 seconds, couldn't even see in the rear view mirror!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Brother has a hemi in a 2014 1500 8 speed and gets 20 consistently I can get 14-15 with a 6.4 hemi in a Powerwagon both great motors I will pay a few extra dollars to drive the hemi I got power when I need it and know my motor will hold up and won't need to replace turbos which I hear horror stories from guys on.
 
Your pulling a 9000 pound gooseneck with a 1/2 ton pickup? That's a load for a 3/4 ton.
 
Ford does not claim that anyone driving their Ecoboost any way they feel like driving it. (IE driving it like you stole it) will make 22 mpg.
Ford says the 3.5 Ecoboost can make 22 mpg when driven in the EPA highway cycle.
The rules for the EPA highway cycle is
1 70 degrees or warmer.
2 A warmed up veichle.
3 Summer grade gas.
4 acceleration not to exceed 3.3 mph per second. (about 18 seconds 0-60)
5 Not to exceed 60 mph).

Driven gently as that in decent weather , I can usually exceed that 22mpg number with my 11 Ecoboost 3.5 F150. This is a 4wd crewcab with towing package that weighs 6400 pounds with two people and a half tank of gas.

Your mpg with an Ecoboost or any other engine is determined by your brain and right foot. Anyone who thinks you can drive a machine hard while still making the EPA highway mpg number is a fool.
 
"Your pulling a 9000 pound gooseneck with a 1/2 ton pickup? That's a load for a 3/4 ton."

My 2008 F150 is rated to tow 10,500 if I remember right.
The newer trucks with better brakes are rated higher than older trucks.
 
Same deal here, we pull a 26 ft gooseneck trailer with two larger parade toy tractors and a 2800 pound travel trailer behiind the gooseneck trailer. It's right at 70 ft long, the legal limit.
What I like about the Ecoboost is that it will make the fuel economy of a V6 or small V8, yet pull better than a non turbocharged 6-7 L V8.

While the 3.5 ecoboost makes maximum torque at a low 2400 rpm (420 torque at 2400)Most small or large V8's dont make in excess of 400 torque at less than 4000 rpm.
You can pass or climb hills fully loaded without much downshifting or howling high rpm like a non turbo V8.
A very nice little engine for both high mpg cruising and terrific torque and power for towing.

The small non turbo engines will give mpg equal to the Ecoboost, but they wont lug up a hill like the Ecoboost.
The big non turbo V8's will make as much power as the Ecoboost at high rpm, but will not lug up and over a hill at 2400 rpm like an Ecoboost.

As to the turbos failing, I have yet to see one fail in normal use.
When running lightly loaded we drive the Ecoboost like a normal engine. Start it, when pressures and temps normalize you drive it as you want.
When pulling a full load as in the gooseneck with two tractors plus the travel trailer, we let the engine warm a couple minutes to make sure there is warm oil to lube the turbos and engine. At the end of a full loaded run with the trailers, I will let it idle for 5 minutes to cool the turbos just as any good driver of a turbocharged tractor or truck would do.
 
I have a 2013 4x4 F150 with the 5.0 in it. On long drives, home to Iowa(800 mile round trip), driving 60-63 mph I have gotten 22.2 mpg, with 5 people and luggage. Took interstate once, 75-80 mph and it dropped to 19 something. I've tried driving 55 mph and have gotten over 23 mpg but I cant stand driving that slow. Daily driving I get around 19mpg. About 40 mile round trip to work. Drops to 17-18mpg in winter. Tow a 6,000lb camper get 12-13 mpg with it at 60 mph. Been happy so far. SMH
 
Ford did borrow 5.9. Billion from the government, and are the only ones who have not paid back the money yet. The dodge hemisphere is a hemisphere in name only.
 
The Eco-Boost I have has the max tow package and is rated
to tow 11,300#. Towing the camper up Santiam Pass in the
Cascade Mountain Range at 60 mph I can pick up speed any
time I want. Never seen the tack over 3500 rpm and that was
going down the other side as it shifted down to hold back the
load. With all the low end torque (4400 f. p. @ around 2000
rpm) and horsepower (360) it's fun to drive.
 
should have been the dodge hemi is a hemi in name only, not hemisphere my phone auto corrected it.
 
Fords 5.9 billion was a loan that does not need to be paid back for another 5 years.
GM did NOT pay back all the money, they traded GM stock for the money.
The GM stock sold for 11 billion less than we paid for it, so GM is far from having paid everything back.
 
I'm talking about the trailer squatting the truck
with the tounge weight.I see them pulling campers with the back end 3 inches lower than the front.I have a new Silverado with a 9600# towing capacity,but it sags with my 4000 pound car trailer attached. (Bumper pull).I'm getting the air bag rear suspension next week.
 
Oh, I thought you were talking about the passenger compartment
air bags. No, I didn't have to add anything to my truck.
I regularly haul 5000-7000 pounds behind it on a bumper pull.
No problems so far. 125K miles on it.

The Fords have a progressive suspension that let them run a
lighter suspension when unloaded for better comfort and then
add spring tension when loaded to carry the load. Basically the
same thing that was done with overload springs in the past, but
that tends to make them look like they sag under light weight.

A buddy of mine was here a week or so ago from New York.
He brought his 2015 Chevy Silverado 1/2 ton. We put an entire
Ford 2n (disassembled) in the back of his pickup. He hauled it
all the way from Michigan back to NY that way. He says it didn't
wander or cause any drive-ability problems for him.
His truck didn't seem to sag as much as mine would have,
but his towing capacity is rated far lower for some reason.
 
(quoted from post at 06:49:43 11/22/14) For what it is worth, the latest Truck Trend (Jan/Feb) issue, had tested the 2.7l doing mostly 65-70 mph highway driving and they observed 16.7 mpgs. Other journalists (sorry, can't remember the sources) have had the ram eco diesel seeing over 30 mpgs. I don't understand why folks are so negative on the ecodiesel, if you can see nearly double the fuel economy in the real world, does paying a little more for fuel make it that bad? Not for me anyway.

I'm not negative on it. It's a 4K option for not that much better mileage. And fuel that's a lot more expensive too. person would have to drive a heck of a lot of miles to pay for the engine with fuel savings and diesel would have to get much closer to the price of gas.

I just looked at the 2015 Fiat/Ram site. I couldn't find the ecodiesel engine option at all. Did they discontinue it? Mst 1/2 ton pickups are sold to city/town people. I read an article that said about 90% of the 4X4 ones will never be driven off pavement. Most city/town people have no experience with diesels. They are buying something to pull a boat, jetski or snowmobiles with. Other than making a statement they are basically buying an A to B vehicle. Driving it empty from suburbia to work and back I think. Most are going to go with a gasser because at least they are familiar with gassers.

Rick
 
jdemaris,
My best mileage on open road is 21, on a foggy day.
I bet you don't drive the way I do. I get off the gas and coast a lot. I'm in no big hurry to get to a red light, coast to red light. I drive the same roads, I may get off the gas up to a mile before I make a turn and still need to use brakes. My 18 is a mixed of city, country driving, not highway.
I also have good michlen tires which seem to coast forever.George
 
(quoted from post at 06:34:43 11/22/14) You can get the dodge with a v6 3.6l and it'll get 26mpg also which would be like your ecoboost.

You can also get the 5.7 hemi 395hp and 410 torque
With 22mpg

I'd personally take the hemi even if you were short a little on fuel at least if you wanted to pull its gonna leave everyone else in your rear view mirror and you can also say you have a v8


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