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Brad Buchanan

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Hey folks.

I am in the market for a 40-50hp loader tractor with a backhoe.

Local dealers are JD, Yanmar (Cub Cadet), and Kobota.

I plan to use the tractor for ditching, general loader work and to power a small sawmill.

The tractors I looked at have manual transmissions with shuttle-shift, mechanical injected diesel, 1 hydraulic remote, rear locker and Three-point function when the hoe is removed. Also they are fwa.

The John Deere dealer pretty much gave me the brush off. Kubota and Yanmar dealers service locally and carry parts.

Both tractors I looked at were in the $32,000 range.

Any opinions on these tractors? I want to buy a tractor that I can keep for 25 years or so.

Brad
 
I'd think one of the Kubota TLB models would hold up best in the long run as they are the only one making one specific for that market.
 
Just my never to be humble opinion,but I think the Kubota dealer is the most likely to still be there to give you parts and service 25 years from now.
 
(quoted from post at 09:37:38 03/05/14) Just my never to be humble opinion,but I think the Kubota dealer is the most likely to still be there to give you parts and service 25 years from now.
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As much as I hate to agree with anyone named after my boat he's right. Had a Kubota dealer in our neck of the woods sense sometime in the 70's.

Rick
 
We have a little Yanmar F-18 D. It is a gray market tractor, so finding parts for it has been a little tough! I however think that it is the best little tractor a person could ever ask for. It is 4wd, loader, three point, diesel. It is a bullet proof little machine. Locally a new Yanmar/Cub dealer opened up, I haven't seen one up close yet, but from the highway they look like really nice little machines! I would go either way, but I would probably buy the Yanmar just becuase I own one, and I L O V E it! Bryce
 
I would say either the Kubota or the Deere. Since Deere gave you the brush off I think you would know which one to get.
 
From what I have been told, this particular model did pass US inspection, so a store can't legally sell F18D's here in America. This one came from Canada, across the border and lived a short period of it's life cleaning out a Ziggys building supply parking lot, then we bought it, with a rototiller, blade, and box blade.

But back to the point, being that it is a gray market tractor, you can't buy parts for it at dealers??? Soooo, I have resorted to buying stuff on E-Bay, all of which is coming from Japan, so then we actually get the right part.
 
I've heard a lot of good things about the Kubota utility tractors.

I also think Kubota is owned by Agco now. They're here to stay.

I would stay away from Yanmar. You need a part for your tractor during busy season and it needs shipped from Japan. Huge turn-off to me.
 
Just like the cars we can't get here there are several pieces of equipment we can't get but still get snuck in here and sold.
I saw a fellow that had a thing like a cross between a gator and a tractor. It had a bench seat or 2 seats ? and on the back it might of had a small bed and the thing I most remember is it had a 3 point hitch and maybe a pto ? I thought these would be way more versatile then gator type vehicle's.
I guess people over here have too much money and can buy a tractor and a gator instead of a combo machine.

Kubota's web site has a special section about Gray Market tractors and explains about them and lists the models to look out for.
 
You may want to try New Holland if there is a dealer near you.
The new workmaster tractors look pretty good, $ 25,000 buys a 40 HP with loader, hydrostatic trans, the works.
 
I have had a Kubota since 1991 and have worked it HARD it just keeps going got a new john deer in 2008 its made by yanmar what a piece of s##t stick with kubota
 
Brad I am kinda prejudice been selling Kubota for years. Just be careful you get the right model for your use. You say shuttle shift. I like something in oil either the hydrostatic or glide shift transmission. Kubota does offer cheaper tractors to be priced with other economy units.
If you are talking loader get a 4 wheel drive. Only other thing in KUBOTA favor in my mind is you are dealing with the parent not like Yanmar making the Cub Cadet. has been several changes in those agreements over the years. Yanmar was with deer then tried it on their own now cc.
 
You sure are misinformed or don,t hear well..LOL KUBOTA is not or has not ever been owned by Agco or any other brand. They are one of the only independent manafactures that have not been acquired by some investors. Kubota & John Deer are in a group of their own there.
 
I've got a 50 hp Kubota, its 4wd, a 2003 model. Have 2000 hours on it now, wonderful little tractor except cab is a bit small and the short wheel base that lets it turn tight makes for a rough ride in the field.

I've looked at a few of my same model for sale with 5000 hours on them already from doing snow removal on city contracts and they have been trouble free as well.

I'd recommend them for what you are doing.
 
I bought a Kubota M6040 and it is a great machine. I'm selling two Fords and two John Deeres that it replaced.
Not to worry though, I'm keeping 2 old Deeres and two old Fords for playtime.
The Kubota is the first tractor I've ever had that didn't leak something. The diesel engine starts in the coldest weather so far here in Mo.
 
Brad, Two things to consider. The new diesels are using emissions crap on them now and while I was shopping for my Kubota I saw a whole bunch of ads for very low houred machines that were bought new by folks and just didn't use them as much as they thought they needed them. As new, low houred tractors are very available for sale by owner.
 
JD is Yanmar also under 70 or so HP, after years of dealing in compacts, my rank for most bang for the buck is:
1-Kubota, hands down
2-Kioti, provided you have a long term, committed dealer near you...lots used jockies get the dealership but have no good support.
3-NH, not quite as up on the newest technology as Kubota and Deere, but generally built heavier than the Deeres but ya suffer on resale/trade value compared to Kubota and Deere.
4-JD
Then the rest
 
We have a one year old kubota we bought new, its the biggest one 135hp with a loader, I like the shuttle and powershift handy on loader, I'd take it over a yanmar haven't had any trouble with it yet, very efficient.
 
Then maybe you can tell me why the pto clutch in a L3400DHST with 208 hrs on it is trashed. The little 3/8 rod that holds it in is worn almost in two. I was shocked to see how poorly it is built.
 

Two things; First stay away from electronics as much as you can unless you plan to trade within ten years. Second; I bought a new 'Bota in 1986 for $12,000. In 2001 they allowed me $10,000 trade in on it.
 
i wouldn't want either but i think you would be better with the kerbota probably would hold it value better/higher resale value and a more stable parts supply
 
(quoted from post at 09:28:38 03/05/14) Hey folks.

I am in the market for a 40-50hp loader tractor with a backhoe.

Local dealers are JD, Yanmar (Cub Cadet), and Kobota.

I plan to use the tractor for ditching, general loader work and to power a small sawmill.

The tractors I looked at have manual transmissions with shuttle-shift, mechanical injected diesel, 1 hydraulic remote, rear locker and Three-point function when the hoe is removed. Also they are fwa.

The John Deere dealer pretty much gave me the brush off. Kubota and Yanmar dealers service locally and carry parts.

Both tractors I looked at were in the $32,000 range.

Any opinions on these tractors? I want to buy a tractor that I can keep for 25 years or so.

Brad
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Were it me, I'd go find a nice used industrial Ford, Massey, Deere, Case, NH, IHC and spend maybe 1/3 of what you are looking at and get something much tougher and heavier built that parts will still be around for in 25 years.

OTOH, if shiny, new, status symbols are part of your thing, then go for it.
 
Thanks all for the excellent information and experience.

As of now I am leaning toward the Kubota. I am going to drive both and see how I like each.

Brad
 
Brad,
My neighbor just bought a BX23 with add-on loader and hoe. It comes with a 1/4 yard front bucket. His is rated around 700 pounds. He can't lift a full bucket of dirt.

His backhoe is a wimp too.

What I didn't like about his set up is that to use the hoe, you have to get off tractor, walk around tractor and climp on hoe to get to another seat. Then to move hoe, you get off seat, walk around tractor and climb on tractor.

For me, that's a deal breaker. If I can't pull on a lever, spin my seat around to get to the hoe's controls, I don't want it.

Before you buy any loader, see if it can lift, how fast it lifts and how high it will lift. If you have a saw mill, you may be wanting to lift logs with loader or pick up logs with the hoe.

I would find someone who has the tractor you want to buy and test it before you buy it.
George
 
Kubota has owned the market for the kind of tractor the OP wants for a long time. But around here at least, NH is gaining market share.
Another brand that has a growing presence in that market is Bobcat. IIRC Bobcat and Kioti are the same.
 
George You realize you are talking about a tractor KUBOTA sells as a SUB compact. Not supposed to do anything like the larger tractors. We have the BX23/25 in plumbers, gas companies,water companies, lots of places where they really are about the only thing suited for the job and are really holding up well. You mentioned 1/4 yd dirt and 700 lb that is about right. We load test ever loader and most times takes 8 one hundred lb weights to trip the relief. As for the seat turning if it did you could,not get thru the rops. Our four dedicated backhoes True B 25, L339,L45 and M 59 all have a swivel seat. Take a look think you will be impressed. O and I am sorry you had a bad experience with the BX About 98% of the customer surveys we get back indicate the customer thinks the unit EXCEEDS what he expected it to do when he purchased it.
 
The guy who bought the BX 28 wasn't very impressed with his. I used it and I wasn't very impressed with how slow it works, couldn't lift half bucket of dirt, which almost didn't get in the dump truck.

Reguardless what he gets, the points I gave him still applies. Can it lift what he wants, especially if he wants to lift logs. How strong is the hoe. I use my hoe to grab a log and carry it. Have forks for the front bucket so I can carry another log on the FIL. How fast are the hydraulics.

Best point is to test each one before buying.
 
The OP isn't going to be impressed with any brand in the BX class for what he wants to do. He's looking for a 40-50 HP tractor.
 
(quoted from post at 23:11:41 03/05/14) Brad, Two things to consider. The new diesels are using emissions crap on them now and while I was shopping for my Kubota I saw a whole bunch of ads for very low houred machines that were bought new by folks and just didn't use them as much as they thought they needed them. As new, low houred tractors are very available for sale by owner.
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Been finding that in my "area" (Ohio, eastern Indiana).

BTW, Yanmar and Cub have parted ways, no more Cub Cadet/Yanmars being built. They are just branded Yanmar now. Any with the CC/Y brand are carryovers.
 
(quoted from post at 09:22:14 03/06/14) Brad,
My neighbor just bought a BX23 with add-on loader and hoe. It comes with a 1/4 yard front bucket. His is rated around 700 pounds. He can't lift a full bucket of dirt.

His backhoe is a wimp too.

What I didn't like about his set up is that to use the hoe, you have to get off tractor, walk around tractor and climp on hoe to get to another seat. Then to move hoe, you get off seat, walk around tractor and climb on tractor.

For me, that's a deal breaker. If I can't pull on a lever, spin my seat around to get to the hoe's controls, I don't want it.

Before you buy any loader, see if it can lift, how fast it lifts and how high it will lift. If you have a saw mill, you may be wanting to lift logs with loader or pick up logs with the hoe.

I would find someone who has the tractor you want to buy and test it before you buy it.
George
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BX line are lawn tractors
 

Hoye Tractors has almost every part for most Yanmars, with same day shipping. Even used parts available. New injection pump for my YM1700 is only $350. New crankshaft is $500, and they are very knowledgeable. Have user and service manuals also. My local Kubota dealer wanted to sell me a used one, but said, "I can't get parts for it!"??? My Yanmar has handled my 33 acres for about 10 years. And I bought it with four new tires on it for $2,700! No repairs to date, knock on wood.

Besides, all small John Deere's have Yanmar engines, and every sail boat I ever sailed the Great Lakes on had a Yanmar diesel in it. Parts are available at most marina's, so you can also look there if you need a part for the motor.

Try that with a Kubota. No engines in JD's, no engines in boats.
:-(
 
(quoted from post at 15:34:52 11/17/14)
Hoye Tractors has almost every part for most Yanmars, with same day shipping. Even used parts available. New injection pump for my YM1700 is only $350. New crankshaft is $500, and they are very knowledgeable. Have user and service manuals also. My local Kubota dealer wanted to sell me a used one, but said, "I can't get parts for it!"??? My Yanmar has handled my 33 acres for about 10 years. And I bought it with four new tires on it for $2,700! No repairs to date, knock on wood.

Besides, all small John Deere's have Yanmar engines, and every sail boat I ever sailed the Great Lakes on had a Yanmar diesel in it. Parts are available at most marina's, so you can also look there if you need a part for the motor.

Try that with a Kubota. No engines in JD's, no engines in boats.
:-(
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Really? Beta Marine LTD sells marine application diesels that are based on the Kubota engines. Kubota doesn't direct market them.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 15:34:52 11/17/14)
Hoye Tractors has almost every part for most Yanmars, with same day shipping. Even used parts available. New injection pump for my YM1700 is only $350. New crankshaft is $500, and they are very knowledgeable. Have user and service manuals also. My local Kubota dealer wanted to sell me a used one, but said, "I can't get parts for it!"??? My Yanmar has handled my 33 acres for about 10 years. And I bought it with four new tires on it for $2,700! No repairs to date, knock on wood.

Besides, all small John Deere's have Yanmar engines, and every sail boat I ever sailed the Great Lakes on had a Yanmar diesel in it. Parts are available at most marina's, so you can also look there if you need a part for the motor.

Try that with a Kubota. No engines in JD's, no engines in boats.
:-(
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Really? Beta Marine LTD sells marine application diesels that are based on the Kubota engines. Kubota doesn't direct market them.

Rick
 
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