lets talk balers

new holland 640 compared to jd 458 best bale. whitch runs easiest? what do u think?/ new holland clames 40 deere clames 55 hp

we have and IH nowprobably makes more difference and have good it isI am voice typing on my phonethe reason it's kind of missed up.amazing its this good

Although the manufactures claim that you can use these small horsepower tractors the truth is that if you do you will be working the snot out of them. I have had several makes of balers and most have their good points and bad points.
John deere makes their own balers and I believe that Case/IH uses Hesston made to their spec's.

You will need at least a 65 HP tractor to run a smaller baler and more if a larger one.

Case IH balers are now New Holland. Agco now owns Hesston, and, of course, with Fiat owning both Case and New Holland.

Case IH balers are now New Holland. Agco now owns Hesston, and, of course, with Fiat owning both Case and New Holland, it is no surprise that the Case IH is a New Holland with different paint and decals.

Agreed, and 100 horse is better.

Allan

I've got a 435 JD baler and when the chamber is full it pulls my 826 IH pretty hard going up hill. I've got a friend that has a newer NH baler that puts up the same size bale as my JD. It makes a nice bale and he pulls it with an 806. I wouldn't think of baling with anything less than 80HP.

I do not know which will pull easier but the JD will make a tighter/better looking bale. When we had the trucks hauling hay the drivers hated to haul any hay not baled with a JD baler. The bales did not stack as well.

I will second or third, that baling with smaller tractors is asking for trouble. The big issue is weight. The baler with a full sized bale needs to have a large enough tractor to handle it in your fields. For me a JD 567 or 568 baler needs at least 125 HP tractor to handle the baler on the hills around here.

I use a 4440 on a 435 baler - those are about 140 horse. I don't need that thing constantly hunting and jambing the governor to keep the baler going. I don't like the feeling of the cart driving the horse, either.

I use a 4020 on the 24T baler. When you are in thick feed you can hear every hit of the plunger. I would use something bigger but every other larger tractor is dualed up. When I had a 4440 with singles I used it and saw a year when it brought her to her knees in A1.

I don't trust any horsepower ratings for new things now.

(quoted from post at 22:59:36 10/25/14) new holland 640 compared to jd 458 best bale. whitch runs easiest? what do u think?/ new holland clames 40 deere clames 55 hp

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Where I am it's probably over 90% JD stuff, others are quite rare. Deere dealer is the closest and only 30 miles away. And I don't know anyone that has the smaller balers. I've had an old 535 for 12 years. It probably had over 10000 bales on it when I got it, and I've more than doubled that. It's easy to work on myself, few breakdowns, nobody has worked on it but me since I got it. I look at it before going into the field and it has not once cost me time in breakdowns. My next one will be a Deere. Second choice is probably ...Vermeer over New Holland, though I know Vermeer takes a bit more power and the bales aren't as neat (not a concern since I don't sell any), just like the way the Vermeers look/work a bit better. Neighbor did have a 664 ? New Holland he bought new, had some issues.

Started with an 1855 Oliver, then White 2-105, then JD 4240. I had a section of ground I went over for a few years with it about 8 miles away, had some hills that a person would worry about tipping the tractor over, didn't have issues with the 1855. Here, my ground is fairly flat and grass is much thicker. Only time it thinks about dragging the tractor down is if I'm in a low spot with a very thick full windrow that a person can barely drive over. Otherwise, 99% of the time can't tell the baler is back there. ~100HP is the sweet spot for that size of baler in my hay and type of ground.

(quoted from post at 23:09:57 10/25/14) When I had a 4440 with singles I used it and saw a year when it brought her to her knees in A1.

I don't trust any horsepower ratings for new things now.

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I'm curious what type crop & what brand baler brought a JD 4440 to it's knees in A1????????? Were you pulling a 4X4X8 sq baler?

Some commercial balers around here are green crazy. There is one that runs a pretty good sized operation that uses NH cutters and rakes but green balers and has for years.

I never had a NH but had 1 Hesston and later a green. Have been with green ever since. Just a well built, reliable baler that has an open throat pickup so starting a bale is a piece of cake and wraps a nice bale. A little PM here and there and very reliable even with me running 20-30 year old machines.

Mark

Not really comparable. JD is newer and heavier. I've never heard anything but good about the JD 7 and 8 series. The 6 series had some cam system in the pickup that was prone to wear and causing trouble. You're best to buy something like a 467 or 468. A 6'baler is never really stressed when only making a 5' bale, whereas a 5' baler is pushed to the limit with each bale. Some will tell you different, but JD techs that work on these balers will tell you what I just said.

As far as I know JD 466 balers are fine as long as it doesn't have Mega-wide pickup with feeder fingers. The feeder fingers gave the problems especially in sandy soils.