OT - used truck prices

mkirsch

Well-known Member
Is it me or is everyone NUTS on used truck prices?

My 2003 Chevy 1500 2WD has 215,000 on it, the rocker panels are gone, it's showing rust in several other locations, the transmission doesn't feel right... An optimistic trade-in value on the truck is around $1300, retail's about $2600.

New trucks start out at $30,000 and go up from there. The thought of a $500+ a month payment on a vehicle makes me ill.

Used... They're just plain NUTS. I came across an ad today for another 2003, with 166,000 miles, rusty like mine... $6495?!?!

You get up into 2008's and everyone wants $18,000 and up for them, with over 100K miles... For a 7 year old truck???

There are quite a few drove-to-hell 2014's back on the lots too... 15K-25K miles, and they still want over $30,000 for them?

How are people affording these things?
 
I bought an 07 F250 4x4 gas last month. 189,000 miles. I gave $5250 for it. Click the link and go to price results and scroll down to the Mears Group auction and you'll see what they were selling for that day. There were 23 of them.

Those outrageous prices are kind of a result of dealer consolidation with the bulk of them in urban areas though in my never to be humble opinion.
Sykora auctions
 
Hmm, I always thought the city dealers were supposed to be cheaper. We would always try the country dealer first but they'd be 10% over retail on everything, even new trucks. Never understood how they remained in business, and they still are.
 
How do they afford it? They don't! No one ever pays attention to the purchase price. All that matters is the monthly payment amount. They have no plans of ever paying it off, just roll into a another payment when they get tired of that one. My wife and I have our vehicles paid off, and like it. We really want to spend $7,000 on a pickup for hauling hay and cattle, but just afraid to pull the trigger.
 
Starting at $30K? I had a hard time finding a new truck for under $40k.


Diesel? add $20k to the price, it seems. Not to mention, the only diesels that they stock are the ones with platinum packages and real horse saddles for seats and that just makes it worse.


What really grinds my gears is that I have a 1999 F350 4wd diesel with 186,000 on it. I get offers for $3000 or $3500, then I look at CL and see them in the same age and mileage range for $8500-10,000!

I don't know what is going on, but if this trend keeps up, it will be in the next 10 years when we see a regular pick-up sticker for $100,000 on a dealer lot.
 
I don't know how people can justify paying what they do for a new truck.

My $1500 '88 does everything I need it to do, I can't see spending an extra $38,000 to get something that's shinier.

I had this argument with my brother who drives the shinier fancy version of my truck that cost $45,000

He claims his is more reliable and he doesn't have to worry about it.

My argument to him - that's a hell of a price to pay so that you don't have to worry about paying for repairs!

I could literally buy THIRTY trucks like mine and leave them stacked up as backups for what he paid for his one truck.

When I put it like that, I think it started to sink in that he paid too much money for a truck.

On top of that, his truck is so expensive and shiny that he never wants to use it for what a truck is supposed to be used for in the first place! It'll never go off road, brush against bushes, etc. etc.
 
I work @ a new Ford car dealer out in the middle
of no where. We've here since 1930 & we are still
here because we do our best to be honest, up frt
& customer satisfaction. We don't have the over
head the Mega store's have but we have the right
to make a profit just like everyone else in
Business. Instead of counting dollars there are
time's we hafta count pennys. That being Said..
The price of Used trks Goes up just like the
price of new ones, almost unbelievable. Where &
how some folks can justify buying a 70K crewcab
diesel so they look nice pulling their horses
around is beyond my thinking. When I need to
replace my trk, I head south or west so I have
something to wrk with from the start.
 
I just traded in a 2012 f 150 65,000 miles , dealer allowed me 28,000 I thought that was pretty stout, sold the next day for 30 grand. Guy about 4 miles down the road from me heard I traded and went right and bought it. 4X4 4 door cab, eco boost loaded with new tires.
 
NO you are not crazy. doesn't make any difference what brand, style, etc. They are way too high and just keep going up. How ever, total 1 out and see what your insurance company gives you. 1/3 to 1/2 less than you have to pay for 1 to replace it. Try talking or arguing with them. They laugh at you. Its not good.
 
They might be cheaper on new stuff,but too dammed may yuppie citiots who don't need a pickup any more than they need a hole in their head will buy up the nice ones for whatever they have to pay for one,leaving nothing for those of us who actually do use a pickup for its intended purpose. We either have to compete with them on price or go without.
 
Used prices ARE crazy now, worse for 3/4 tons it
seems. My last "new " truck was a 2 year old 2001
with 26,000 miles. I paid 17,000 and that was hard
to swallow for me. The similar truck now is TWICE
that . Can they double again in 10 years from now
? I now only use my truck when I have to , in
order to preserve it for a long time to come. I
have an old beater for running to town and parts
chasing that absorbs all the misc. mileage I would
be putting on the good truck. I am not above
driving an old beater! I also still have my old
1985 GMC that I thought I paid too much for in the
90 s ! Once bought, stuff usually stays here for life ! lol
 
(quoted from post at 14:59:34 10/21/14) They might be cheaper on new stuff,but too dammed may yuppie citiots who don't need a pickup any more than they need a hole in their head will buy up the nice ones for whatever they have to pay for one,leaving nothing for those of us who actually do use a pickup for its intended purpose. We either have to compete with them on price or go without.

Amen Brother! This is the truth!
 
My dad use to say "Any car will carry a mans body, but it takes a fancy one to carry his head".
 
I just bought a new 2014 Chevrolet wt ext cab for 24200 its strip
down but does have power windows. I traded a 2010 with
96000 miles they gave me 9800 I paid 20000 I was happy but
they have it on there lot for 14800. That thing is covered in paint
scratched ding I don't think they will get it.
 
Wonder what I could get for my '03 Tundra 4 X 2 extended cab with 120K. Always under roof, never been driven in snow so no rust. Looks next to new. All highway miles. Wife thinks we only need one vehicle but that Tundra is a joy to drive. I tell her it's paid for so why sell it? Time will tell if I win or lose that argument.
 
They are totally nuts... I have a 96 Chevy 1500 that just rolled over 180k. I have had it for 13 years and its been a decent truck. I have been looking to move up a bit newer and every time I find one, they have more miles on them than the one I am driving, and want 8 to 10 k for them!!! I am just going to find an 70's one and just restore it...
 
Kids, the diesel trucks are the new Hotrods! Put a chip in the computer and exhaust pipes and wow! a hot rod! They are no worse than we were.
 
I drove the same pickup for 23 years. About ten years in to it,I was sitting out on the back porch at Uncle Earl's house with him and Aunt Doris. My pickup was sitting in the driveway. She looked at it and said "When are you gonna buy a new truck?".
I said "Why,do you think people will like me better if I have a new one?". She didn't even know what to say. Earl just reared back laughing,slapped his knee and said "I like you just fine with this one.".
 
I've look for a used truck for close to 5 years, had my old GMC for 18 years and 265 thousand miles. Found this 2013 in June, 18000 miles,$26400, This is newer and nicer than I wanted but got tired of looking at hi priced junk. The window sticker in this was $37700 new and didn't seem bad compared to 100,000 mile trucks for 15 grand.
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Get away from the "dealer" mentality first off. Learn to use craigslist etc and punch in "privately owned" only. I hate rust so I shop south/southwest. I bought this '99 Suburban 2 yrs ago from Original owner w/only 73,000 miles. Orig . window sticker was $ 43,000. Seats had never been uncovered until I bought it. Underhood and underbody...showroom new. Paint perfect. Never been hit/repaired anywhere. $8500 ! The 2006 GMC crew cab 2wd,same deal only a few more miles (124K) . Orig owner and loaded. Not a spec of rust and never been hit. $ 6500 ! Being they are now in Mi , I did my own 2 day undercoat (inside all panels)on both. At 64 and retired , these just may be my last vehicle purchases. Both paid in cash. Take your time and exhaust all avenues. Probably took me 3 months looking to find each of these. Saw a lot of "crap" and high prices along the way. Patience will reward you.
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I have three utility tractors I want to sell outright, because the tractor dealership only offers me 1/3 of what they are worth on a new tractor trade in. Really?
 
" At 64 and retired , these just may be my last vehicle purchases."

Lord, I hate people that talk like that. I'll bet that 93 years young farmer in the prior post never made a statement like that.
 
(reply to post at 17:36:31 10/21/14)
I bought this 07 GMC 3500 fully loaded D-max diesel this spring for $ 5000.
Proven to be a good strong truck.
Wife likes driving it too ;)
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Wha-da-ya-mean "talk like that" LOL My health issues and family lineage says 80 at best. That's 16 yrs and we don't put many miles on. The Sub is 16 yrs old now and will easily repeat that. By the time the GMC is worn out we will scale back to only one vehicle anyway. If we make it past 80 we definitely won't be driving. If one is going to plan their life, they need to be realistic. Optimism doesn't change facts/history. I've seen 85-95 and I'll pass, thank you. God's going to make the call anyway, so any of us could be wrong. Just wanting to let the poster know there are some deals out there and to be patient but relentless in his search. And most of the high priced "junk" I found was at dealers. Nice talking to ya Dave, we are just two different people who happen to love the tractor hobby. God Bless.
 
Wife and kids keep telling me to trade in my '02 Silverado 4wd. I've had all the issues that plagued GM trucks of that era: Fuel injection systems were crap. Replaced with multi-port. Ran OK but then a major coolant leak. Yup, the lower intake manifold gaskets rotted away. Common problem on GM 4.3L engines. Luckily, I could do the job myself. Cost me about $65 for parts and coolant. Don't want to think what a repair shop would charge, let alone a dealer. It runs pretty good with 129k miles now, fairly low mileage for a 12 yr old truck.
And.... I bought it used 10 yrs ago w/ 47k miles on it and paid $13k which I thought was a lot at the time. It's a "Work Truck" 5-speed with none of the whistles/bells (except AC). Fewer things to break on it. Don't think they even build "Work Trucks" anymore.

I don't worry about running it through the brush and trees scratching the side or getting the seats full of "wet dog" smell after the dogs romp through the pond. Heck, seats have been drenched in blood a couple of times by injured dogs. Told my wife to use the bed of it as my casket.
 
Heck, my family history is somewhere in the 60's if you are lucky.

My Dad died in 2002 @ 67. He had 5 different cancers in the previous 9 years before his death.

At 54yo I have colon cancer.

It's been a helluva ride!
 
Went through the same exercise this spring and
early summer. My 2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer that
I bought for work with 12k miles on it in 2001 now
had 240k and would need rocker panel rust repair
to pass NH State Inspection. Other than that -
great condition. While I could get this done for
$900, next year it would need new tires (only 3rd
set on it now since new), and more rust repairs
totaling around $2k. Hated to park it but!!! It
had become my daily driver, pulled haying
equipment between farms and loads of round bales
home, wife's horse trailer to goat shows, etc.

Craigs List had lots of high mileage vehicles with
astronomical prices, and vehicles I looked at as
new as 2010 had rust already. Finally gave up on
Expeditions and looked at pickups. Same story, but
finally found a cherry, low mileage 2003 F150
Heritage Edition, spotless with no rust, for a
super decent price.

Now we've decided it is too nice for farm work and
am contemplating a home - repair on the
Expedition.
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(quoted from post at 18:15:26 10/21/14) A little rust but you got a LOT of truck there for $5000 !
t's only surface rust, body is hard as a rock. I plan to wire wheel the bottom parts clean and put por-15 on it this winter.
And install a set of mud flaps.

I hauled 20 of these loads of hay with it last week,21000 lb to the load incl trailer weight, 31 ml one way trip each load.Btween this and the 3 loads of bison i hauled 300ml each in April me thinks the truck payed for itself already ;)

I bought this rust free 98 GMC 1500 with 6.5 diesel with 133 k ml on it 2 years ago for my wife for $4500.
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Bison, in the first picture, What do you use the old washing machine wringer on the front bumper for? LOL. (Sorry, I just had to say that.)
 
"Ran OK but then a major coolant leak. Yup, the lower intake
manifold gaskets rotted away. Common problem on GM 4.3L
engines."

'98 350 also. Did mine myself also. So many wires and stuff that
I just lifted them all up with most still connected with ropes tied
around the hood to get at the manifold. Couldn't believe the
mess I found in what was "supposed to be" a gasket. The after
market, popular gasket mfgr, were in an aluminum frame with a
molded silicon seal...like a poured in Oring. Professional quality.

After the job it ran real funny until I dug around and found that I
hadn't reconnected the wire to the distributor. Must have been
some computer controlled spark advance.

I'm now running a 2011 4.8 for the past 3.5 years and no
problems what so ever, other than rats twice into the wiring
harness.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 16:52:46 10/21/14) Get away from the "dealer" mentality first off. Learn to use craigslist etc and punch in "privately owned" only.

Even the private sellers are totally NUTS! They see what dealers are asking and think they can get the same.

On top of that, your average private seller's idea of haggling is $50 off the asking price. If they will haggle at all. Normally they just get mad at you and throw you out.
 
(quoted from post at 12:53:09 10/21/14) Is it me or is everyone NUTS on used truck prices?

My 2003 Chevy 1500 2WD has 215,000 on it, the rocker panels are gone, it's showing rust in several other locations, the transmission doesn't feel right... An optimistic trade-in value on the truck is around $1300, retail's about $2600.

New trucks start out at $30,000 and go up from there. The thought of a $500+ a month payment on a vehicle makes me ill.

Used... They're just plain NUTS. I came across an ad today for another 2003, with 166,000 miles, rusty like mine... $6495?!?!

You get up into 2008's and everyone wants $18,000 and up for them, with over 100K miles... For a 7 year old truck???

There are quite a few drove-to-hell 2014's back on the lots too... 15K-25K miles, and they still want over $30,000 for them?

How are people affording these things?

Just went thru the used truck deal. They say miles doesn't mean anything. The heck it doesn't. It means everything on them is worn out. I bought a new 2004 GMC 1500 for $19,000.The 2014 version is now at $30K.
I ran the 2004 for 200K miles. I ran my ad to sell starting at $5000. KBB you know. No rust no body filler and it ran okay. No calls for 6 weeks until I got down to $2000. Then I got 1 call and sold it.
Next I bought a 2003 Silverado with 80K miles. I paid $8100 last May, 2013. Ran it for 50K miles. I thought it would be like the GMC. It has been nothing but trouble. Checked CL and the dealers for about 2 mths. Asking prices are crazy as you say. Traded my 2003 in on a 2010 with 40K miles. It cost me $16000 plus the rust free 2003. There starting price was $19,000 before taxes.
The moral of the story is????? Miles does mean something. It means everything is worn out and about to fail. KBB pricing is a JOKE!
 
(quoted from post at 17:36:31 10/21/14) " At 64 and retired , these just may be my last vehicle purchases."

Lord, I hate people that talk like that. I'll bet that 93 years young farmer in the prior post never made a statement like that.

Dave, everybody lives a different style life.
When I retired in 06, I bought a new truck with the same thought.
very easy to accomplish with my lifestyle.
Total yearly mileage, all vehicles combined....less than 3000.
conservative no major repairs...figure 150,000 on these new ones,
50 years?..
Didn't work out that way, as my son badly needed a truck, and like the poster, couldn't find anything good used. New, $ no way.
So, I gave him my 7 year old truck.....low 20's miles on it. He's happy.
So, I'm driving old junk again. Here in NY, you buy new, or pre 97, so it doesn't have to be 'plugged in' at inspection time.
New? over-priced of course, but they just don't make any 'trucks' anymore.
Full-size, no frills, reg cab, 8' box, 4x4 with a manual transmission.....nope..not available from any US manufacturer.
 
(reply to post at 08:15:37 10/22/14) ....After the job it ran real funny until I dug around and found that I
hadn't reconnected the wire to the distributor. Must have been
some computer controlled spark advance....

:lol: :lol:
same here. I did the intake manifold job 2 weekends ago. Drove it sporadically during the week and it would "stumble" at periodic times, like it wasn't getting fuel. suspected I got dirt in the fuel lines as I just pulled them out of the way and didn't "bag" them like I usually do. Last Saturday, put the OBD scanner on it and found a "camshaft position sensor circuit" code. Cleared the codes and it popped right back up as soon as I started it. Knew exactly what I didn't do. Opened the hood and I could see the sensor connector laying at the firewall. Yup, forgot to connect it to the distributor. Couldn't see the distributor connector since it was buried behind plugs and harnesses. But, I was able to put it back in by feel. I figure it was running in some kind of default condition but got a little out of whack after a while.

And yeah, night and day difference in the gaskets. I used Fel-pro which I think is the most popular replacement. Sad that auto engineering goes backward on a lot of things. It's not only GM (ask any Ford p/u truck owner whose spark plugs blew out of the head). They're all about putting more electronics and gizmos in the trucks so they can charge more. I don't care about navigation systems in my p/u or Bluetooth for my phone. I want a strong, reliable vehicle that is maintainable.
 
Not just the pickup engines. The 3.5, 3.1 and 3.8 V6s does this at 70K-8oK - usually about $700 to have a shop fix. The only one that doesn't seem to have this issue is the 3.9 that they have now dropped. I haven't heard if the "newest" 3.6 has this issue - we only have one car with this engine a 2012 Impala.

The "older" versions of the 3.6 have massive problems with the timing chains and tensioners. Apparently you should change the oil in them at 3k miles instead of the recommended 8K miles. Most of those engines when opened up are horribly dirty and the mechanics claim neglect - even when the recommended oil change interval has been followed. The dirty oil prevents the hydraulic chain tensioners from function properly.
 
I don't know where you guys are shopping for pickups. We just bought 3 2014 Ford F150s, extended cabs (XL) with remote locks & start, power windows, tilt, cruise, air, stereo w/cd and ipod plug, tow package, spray in bed liner, trailer brakes, limited slip traction control, 5.0 engine for 29,800. If only they had the chrome grill instead of the black grill they would look so much better.


Base Chevy WK pickups with the V6, tow package reg cab with air are still in the low 20s - less on a good day.
 
(quoted from post at 15:53:09 10/21/14) Is it me or is everyone NUTS on used truck prices?

My 2003 Chevy 1500 2WD has 215,000 on it, the rocker panels are gone, it's showing rust in several other locations, the transmission doesn't feel right... An optimistic trade-in value on the truck is around $1300, retail's about $2600.

New trucks start out at $30,000 and go up from there. The thought of a $500+ a month payment on a vehicle makes me ill.

Used... They're just plain NUTS. I came across an ad today for another 2003, with 166,000 miles, rusty like mine... $6495?!?!

You get up into 2008's and everyone wants $18,000 and up for them, with over 100K miles... For a 7 year old truck???

There are quite a few drove-to-hell 2014's back on the lots too... 15K-25K miles, and they still want over $30,000 for them?

How are people affording these things?

I just looked up a 2015 1500 two door GMC V8 with 4x4, 9900lb trailer package, electric rear window defroster and basic AC. $31,000 . Thought that was decent enough for a farm beater truck.
 
(quoted from post at 21:16:01 10/21/14) Bison, in the first picture, What do you use the old washing machine wringer on the front bumper for? LOL. (Sorry, I just had to say that.)
hatta there "wringer washer" will come in handy one day me suspects.
That bumper and winch was an over $3000 package new,..it was on there so i ain't complaining;)
 
Last year I bought my first new truck ever, a Chevy Z71 1/2 ton. Gets 21 MPG unless I hook a tiny 14ft trailer camper on it and it plummets to 12MPG downhill with a tail wind. My only complaint. I also have a 71 Chevy Custom Camper 3/4 ton and it gets 12 MPG all the time loaded or not. Really didn't gain anything buying the new truck. My 71 is still my favorite truck. Last year I hauled 2.5 tons of walnuts in to a buyer and it had no problems. Drove it from Indiana to New Mexico a few years ago with no problems. Sometimes good maintenance is worth its weight in gold and is way cheaper than a new truck payment.
 
I bought a new f250 in 03 thinking it would last me. It still might. But I drive a 91 Dodge diesel to town. The body is a long way from new. But it has charisma. Kids will come up and want to buy it. But I have become attached to it. Vic
 
Enjoyed sharing this with you. Yes the brand was Fel-pro. Just
forgot. Been working crossword puzzles to help my mind to stay
active. Works. Since I am retired and live in the country the axiom
of "use it or loose it" certainly applies to your mind.

On the puzzles I only buy the LARGE print EASY ones. They have to
let me win or I loose interest. Grin

Mark
 
I just looked up a 2015 1500 two door GMC V8 with 4x4, 9900lb trailer package, electric rear window defroster and basic AC. $31,000 . Thought that was decent enough for a farm beater truck.

Yeah but even after the dealer knocks some off, I'm still looking at over $500 a month in payments over 5 years. Just the minimum payment alone is what my "double-up" payments were on the last two trucks!!! There's no paying one off early anymore.
 
(quoted from post at 04:47:30 10/22/14) Went through the same exercise this spring and
early summer. My 2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer that
I bought for work with 12k miles on it in 2001 now
had 240k and would need rocker panel rust repair
to pass NH State Inspection. Other than that -
great condition. While I could get this done for
$900, next year it would need new tires (only 3rd
set on it now since new), and more rust repairs
totaling around $2k. Hated to park it but!!! It
had become my daily driver, pulled haying
equipment between farms and loads of round bales
home, wife's horse trailer to goat shows, etc....


Now we've decided it is too nice for farm work and
am contemplating a home - repair on the
Expedition.

I too have a 2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer. Got it originally to pull a small livestock trailer and have a covered space to put our show tack. My MIL offered us her '05 Silverado 2500 LS Crew cab for what she owed on it (about $15,000) about three yrs. ago. She'd advertised it for $19,000 with no takers. At the time it only had about 56,000 miles on it. At the time, thought about selling the Expedition. It has new tires on it, replaced rotted brake and transmission cooling lines, new lower rear control arms (got them from racing suspension mfg. in Indiana), tranny position sensor, new starter and some small items too. It does have the rocker panel rust now. The anti-lock brake control thing is leaking brake fluid when you step on the pedal, but still has brakes, barely, so have to fix that now. It has the air suspension and that is troublesome, the warning light comes on and it stops working after about 30 - 45 min. driving it. You have to stop and shut it off and it resets when you restart the vehicle.

I've been looking on Craig's list and they don't seem to be bringing much in our area, probably because of the horrible gas mileage. I paid $9K for it about 6-7 yrs. ago, it was something over $38,000 in 2000. I'd probably be lucky to get $2k out of it and likely less. It's too nice to scrap or give away and kinda expensive to drive regularly. I do like the way it handles the trailer, really nice on the highway. It's probably the most feature loaded vehicle we've ever owned too, we usually buy a middle of the line vehicle.

Like you I might keep it a little longer and do a home repair on the rust (not that I need another project). The wife likes it, but not the fact it always seem to be sitting needing some repair. If it was an F150 of that year (the Expe is on the F150 platform) it would sell in a heartbeat, everyone has a pickup or wants one around us.
 
(quoted from post at 08:22:18 10/23/14) Enjoyed sharing this with you. Yes the brand was Fel-pro. Just
forgot. [b:7443ed0088]Been working crossword puzzles to help my mind to stay
active. Works. Since I am retired and live in the country the axiom
of "use it or loose it" certainly applies to your mind.[/b:7443ed0088]

On the puzzles I only buy the LARGE print EASY ones. They have to
let me win or I loose interest. Grin

Mark

I've been doing them for years and agree that it keeps the mind sharp. I do the NY Times Sunday puzzle every week. Get the Sunday paper, cook/eat breakfast and scan the paper, do the puzzle, usually get it done in an hour or so. If I'm not done by 9:30 AM, I put it aside and head out to do chores, work on my property, brush-hogging, cutting trees, whatever. Can't see wasting the weekend inside. At 64, I try and keep both my body and mind active.
 
I've noticed that pickups tend to hold their value better than car.

A three year old car with average mileage is generally worth about half it's new selling price. That trend continues at six years they are worth about a quarter of their new price.

Pickups generally take five years to loose half their new value, and ten years to drop to one quarter of their new price.
 
(quoted from post at 10:50:22 10/23/14) I've noticed that pickups tend to hold their value better than car.

A three year old car with average mileage is generally worth about half it's new selling price. That trend continues at six years they are worth about a quarter of their new price.

Pickups generally take five years to loose half their new value, and ten years to drop to one quarter of their new price.

If you are basing your comment on asking prices alone I would agree. Used truck prices are high, but they aren't selling at thos eprices.
 
(quoted from post at 11:21:40 10/23/14)
(quoted from post at 10:50:22 10/23/14) I've noticed that pickups tend to hold their value better than car.

A three year old car with average mileage is generally worth about half it's new selling price. That trend continues at six years they are worth about a quarter of their new price.

Pickups generally take five years to loose half their new value, and ten years to drop to one quarter of their new price.

If you are basing your comment on asking prices alone I would agree. Used truck prices are high, but they aren't selling at thos eprices.

I just did a search on Ebay under sold trucks. Lots for sell, but next to none sold.
 

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