Conversation with local bank

Wile E

Well-known Member
I walked into my local bank and asked. "if there is a power outage here would I still be able to withdraw money out of my account"? Answer: Only up to $50. I said......Ummm, Ok. What about if I brought in a CD to cash out of for the money? How about that ? Bank manager was at the next teller booth over, he says, "nope" You cannot withdraw a CD cause you may have gone to another branch and withdrew the money and we have no computer knowledge of the transaction......
I said....Ok, I see.

Basically.....if there is a long term power outage say for 3 weeks I am screwed.
Isnt customer service great in these high tech times?
 
My guess is that if power is out for weeks nobody's going to care much about money, in a bank or otherwise.
 
Cut that out, Randy. Last time I hooked my generator to my tractor and hooked it up, I caught enough flak from a few ________ (fill in the blank) that don't like how us real farmers operate things. It'll take all evening to read all the answers....
 
With all the money that banks spend on buildings, you would think that they would be able to install a generator.
 
I don't like it one bit when someone tells me what and when I can get MY MONEY!!!--That's the reason I always have cash on hand!
Wonder about a safe deposit box??
Like when the bank tell me my money is insured by the government, but it could be several weeks, or months, before I will receive money, with NO INTEREST!!---with this government being broke, It could be a year or never!!
 
Don't worry about it, your not as screwed as you think.....in fact, your more screwed. I say that because your not going to need money anyways, be it cash or otherwise. Think about it, if the power went down for a week (((assuming it's a catastrophic event and it's out over a whole region)))) your not going to need money for anything anyways. The reason is that every other business is already tied to their computers to the extent that they can't sell anything if their systems go down either. So, the grocery stores can't sell anything even if you've got cash because none of the items have a price, only a barcode. None of the service stations/convenience stores can sell anything for the same reason, not to mention the pumps aren't going to work without power......

Now, to make matters even worse, think about this. When was the last time you saw a grocery store, or a convenience store that had a backup generator for emergencies? Personally I don't know of a one that has a generator, which doesn't make sense to me. You'd think that at least the grocery stores would be required to have one, if only by their insurance companies, to power the refrigeration, and freezer units, if nothing else. Heck, the cost of a generator would be small compared to the amount of loss that would be incurred by an extended power outage. Not to mention, the loss of business by not being able to sell anything at the very time people really needed it.

Now, lets take it one more step down the hole of technology. Even if many stores had power, they couldn't operate because their computer systems aren't local. Instead, they are tied into a corporate computer somewhere else that gives them all the info needed to make a sale, or anything else for that matter. So, if the power was out in a whole region, and the stores headquarters was also without power, then everyone is still screwed even if the store has a generator for itself.

AIN'T TECHNOLOGY GREAT??????????
 
Just curious why you walked into a bank and randomly asked them that question.

Are you casing the joint? LOL


I mean, if they didn't have power for a while, there would be no 24 hour security which would mean you could have all the money you want, even if it isn't technically "your money."


:D :shock:
 
Well, I can pretty much guarantee you that your bank is not going to be without power for three weeks without a whole lot more buildings nearby being without power as well. And if that's the case, I would cut them some slack since they aren't the power company and no business that I can think of has a UPS that large, and I would think that they would rent an industrial generator long before then.

But you learned a lesson. Change banks to one that has more branches located elsewhere in town, or at least in another nearby town. Your bank warned you, so if you don't heed their warning... I bank with two institutions, one because its a national bank located in most towns in every state, so I can cash checks at any one of them. My primary institution is a credit union, and as luck would have it, several other credit unions nationwide will honor its checks, and even if I find myself out of luck that way, my other bank will. Again, reading your post, they warned you so be proactive.

Good luck.

Mark
 
The money we use, the Federal Reserve Notes, those greenbacks in your wallet, will only be good as long as people have faith in the gov't being there. In a long term emergency, something on the order of several weeks or more, you'd be a lot further along having something of intrinsic value, ie- gold coins, silver coins, booze, food, tools, tobacco, medicine, fuel, rope, ammo, nails, lumber, etc. A dollar bill, or a $100.00 bill for that matter, isn't worth anymore than an equal amount of toilet paper.
 
Actually....... several years ago the power was out for a few hours and I went to a local hardware store and right when I walked in the store, all power was out and the woman said, "you can only pay in cash and you will get a hand written receipt" I said, no problem all I got is cash anyway. And...to answer your question on the gen sets at grocery stores. There is a grocery store a few miles from me that has a large Kohler unit outside and there is a ice cream place that has a gen set too. So not all of those places like to throw away thousands of dollars of goods when the power is out for more than 8 hours. The smart stores have back up gen sets to run freezers.
 
That is a good point. If civilization collapsed it would be like the old west, Food, guns, ammo, fuel would be the real money. I would expect greenbacks to hold value for a few months until all the important stuff started drying up.
 
When we were hit with an ice storm in 2009 there was little or no power for almost 50 miles. You couldn't buy gas, access the bank and the grocery stores were out of food in just a few hours. It took 3 days before you could get gas and most people outside of town were out of power for 10 days or more. Everyone survived and in the long run it was good because people now prepare better.
 
Most banks, grocery and convenience stores here have back up generators. They gotta have their beer and cigs, you know. Guess they've been burned too many times with prolonged outages.

Was at a McDonalds once where they wer were outta power. Counter people trying bravely to keep up with hand held calculators. Must be the kitchen was gas fired. Mot too confident with the quality and safety of the product at that point.

Would think banks would simply shut the doors until they got power to run building.
 
Wouldn't be enough power to do anyone good except your self.Plus your generator unless it is set for computer work,(no spikes or dips in current, it would burn out their computers in a heartbeat. We was without power for 21 days back in 1975 ,(summertime) neighbor had a small gen he hauled around the neighborhood,for freezers. Next door neighbor had a well we pumped water with a hand pitcher pump, people came from all over to get their water. Wife canned stuff we had on a small propane camp stove. If we had waited on the neighbor who had the gen, we would have been S.O.L. Stuff would have rotted in the freezer,we managed without the bank,still can. We do have a small generator on hand for ourselves for backup,provided we don't run out of gas to power it up. That's when solar panels would come in handy,unless it was cloudy. Maybe a hamster on a wheel to power the generator.lol. You must remember " Man can't live on bread alone, he must have peanut butter.lol.
LOU
 
(quoted from post at 15:35:25 10/22/14) Basically.....if there is a long term power outage say for 3 weeks I am screwed.
Isnt customer service great in these high tech times?

If your plan A after a power outage is to wait 3 weeks and then try to cash a check at the bank... you better get working on plan B....

As for banks having generators, ya, they usually have them, its just the morons working as tellers have no idea about them. Most are not even allowed in the basement, much less would they ever want to go there. Same with grocery stores, convience stores and gas stations; most have them but the mininum wage workers (that want $15 an hour, but are worth about $5) have no idea about them. So sales and check cashing will be no problem. In fact, it will be rather "brisk"... right up till there is nothing left to sell or money to cash.

Dont matter though, if you are going to come out 3 weeks into some event like wide spread power outage, unless its regional and trucks are still freely running, then everything will be long sold out. Everything will be gone in about 3 days. After 3 weeks, expect the "natives" to be pretty restless, if you know what I mean.

If you want to know what would happen if the power went off for 3 weeks, just look in the past. We have had some good hurricanes that has shown what happens if we loose power in smaller areas like the coast, scale things up from there if you think it would happen in a larger area. Just as the outage covers a larger area, things get worse 10 fold because it that much harder for outside areas to help support and rebuild the affected area. If the lights shut down on a national level... things are going to get ugly real quick...
 
Actually right after the bank manager told me that they would not let me cash out of a CD if the power was out I got a small pile of 20s and 50s.
And......after an outage I would go get food and fuel quickly, not wait 3 weeks. If the power was out for 3 weeks I would want enough cash to be able to buy stuff without having to go to the bank to get money cause credit cards likely will not work.
 
Don't worry about the power that's not the problem if there is some type of widespread emergency banks only have a very very small percentage of cash on hand compared to the amount they supposedly 'have on deposit' and they'd run out very quickly if many people needed their money.
 
Rich_WI- "As for banks having generators, ya, they
usually have them, its just the morons working as
tellers have no idea about them. Most are not even
allowed in the basement, much less would they ever
want to go there. Same with grocery stores,
convience stores and gas stations"

Rich, I really disagree with you about 'most of
these places having generators'. I will agree that
some do but...most of them do not.
 
Actually, we had a widespread outage in 2003, if you recall. Google the "Northeast blackout 2003". Power was out for several days across a number of states and Ontario, remember? Funny thing was: I was reconfiguring a transformer at our shop for a robotic system and at the same time I threw the disconnect on, the power went out. Our receptionist happened to be in the shop and thought I just killed the power to the building by some mistake. She checked the neighboring buildings and found ALL power was out. For awhile, she couldn't believe that I didn't cause the whole blackout. It took 3 hours to get home (normal 1/2 hr drive) because none of the signals were working and everyone left work early ALL at the same time. We just sat tight across Michigan for several days. And guess what? There was no rioting or looting.

We keep enough food/water in the house to probably last a couple of weeks at least. (Wife even has a healthy supply of toilet paper stashed away :lol: which will not be my first concern)
 
(quoted from post at 19:37:52 10/22/14) Actually right after the bank manager told me that they would not let me cash out of a CD if the power was out I got a small pile of 20s and 50s.
And......after an outage I would go get food and fuel quickly, not wait 3 weeks. If the power was out for 3 weeks I would want enough cash to be able to buy stuff without having to go to the bank to get money cause credit cards likely will not work.

20s and 50s are great but small bills are way more useful. Remember, nobody has change (including you) when you buy or sell in tough times. Having change can get you killed in an already risky situation. And if you think about it, keeping money in the bank now days is foolish. Unless you are paying bills with it or its invested, you may as well keep it at home. With the pittance of interest you get from your checking account, just keep it in your pocket.

Ya, EVERYBODY ran to get a few things from the store or a few gallons of gas when Katrina hit, how did that work out for them? Like I said, keep working on your plan B because your plan A sucks...
 
wile E- Do you really believe that you be the first one at the pumps or grocery store?

Shelves and gas tanks (even IF they have electricity) are empty in just after a few hours after this kind of emergency.
 
News flash for U guys.... Public Service ( electric & gas co.) in our area payes a fee for not provideing electic to acme super market & wally's world for NOT provideing electric to power their freezers & refrideration. i luckily live on the same "trunk"...and even during hurricane "Sandy" we never "lost" power for more than 2 hours. I'm just saying.
 
(quoted from post at 19:49:48 10/22/14) Rich_WI- "As for banks having generators, ya, they
usually have them, its just the morons working as
tellers have no idea about them. Most are not even
allowed in the basement, much less would they ever
want to go there. Same with grocery stores,
convience stores and gas stations"

Rich, I really disagree with you about 'most of
these places having generators'. I will agree that
some do but...most of them do not.

Greg, you can disagree all you want as Im sure its regional but Im just stating what I know is fact in my area in particular and in my state in general. I know what the businesses have in the towns around me and how things are in the big city. I also know an Emergency Management Director of a smaller county and looked over the plans they had for the Y2K issues that were planned for way back then and that included an almost 100% responce rate from the businesses and goverment agencies in the entire county. Based on that knowlage I stand by my statements but will agree that your area could be different.

99% of the people working in a building have no clue about anything mechanical in the building. From something as simple as a bulb out all the way up to things like a locked up elevator or a leaking roof, they simply dont know how to fix it. The other 1% dont care if it gets fixed at all, the only thing they want is the company thank you card that shows up every 2 weeks. Its sad, really. But its the facts and the way people live now days.
 
I've never worked at a bank, but have seen many being built. I can't remember any of them having basements, but I can say that I don't remember any of them I saw built that did. That said I know what a generator looks like, and I have seen no generators around the outside of any of my local banks.

On the other hand I have worked at quite a few grocery stores in my younger years, most of which are still in operation. In all cases, none of them had a generator. Too, I have been in the back/stock rooms of many more and have yet to see a generator. I have also talked to a few managers and/or employees in stores when the power went out with me in the store, and no generators present. Too most of them have a 'back lot' where the trucks make their deliveries. Once again I have yet to see a generator sitting anywhere in back of any of the local stores.

Ultimately if there are any grocery stores, or banks in my area that have generators that I have missed seeing, NONE of them ever use them when the power goes out around here.
 
(quoted from post at 21:05:26 10/22/14) I've never worked at a bank, but have seen many being built. I can't remember any of them having basements, but I can say that I don't remember any of them I saw built that did. That said I know what a generator looks like, and I have seen no generators around the outside of any of my local banks.

On the other hand I have worked at quite a few grocery stores in my younger years, most of which are still in operation. In all cases, none of them had a generator. Too, I have been in the back/stock rooms of many more and have yet to see a generator. I have also talked to a few managers and/or employees in stores when the power went out with me in the store, and no generators present. Too most of them have a 'back lot' where the trucks make their deliveries. Once again I have yet to see a generator sitting anywhere in back of any of the local stores.

Ultimately if there are any grocery stores, or banks in my area that have generators that I have missed seeing, NONE of them ever use them when the power goes out around here.

Well I could be wrong but it sure sounds like they dont have any generators in your area.... they got em around me though. Basements too. Wanna see em?
 
All the banks around here have backup generators run on natural gas. I would suspect the tellers have no clue about that.
 
Rich-wi- Well you just quantified 100% of the
people of Wisconsin workers as being unable to
perform their jobs.

"99% of the people working in a building have no
clue about anything mechanical in the building.
From something as simple as a bulb out all the way
up to things like a locked up elevator or a
leaking roof, they simply don't know how to fix
it. The other 1% don't care."

Since your Handle indicates that you are from
Wisconsin...Which category do you fall in?

HTH
 
Nah, I don't doubt that the businesses around you have basements and generators. Like anything else there are a lot of region specific things that different businesses do because of the differences in the weather, landscape, soil composition, etc, etc.

In the end I'm sure there are a lot of 'behind the scenes' things that none of us will ever know about unless we were to work at that particular business.

Finally, I will take back the whole bank thing to a small degree. My wife works at one of the main customer service centers for Wells Fargo (think a couple of acres, and more than one floor under roof) that I'd almost guarantee has generators. In essence the place is it's own little city. They have medical and eye doctors (maybe a dentist I haven't asked) with offices in the complex, restaurants, convenience stores, a bank branch, laundry mats, and even places for employees to sleep should they get called in and/or stranded at the facility during a major event.
 
(quoted from post at 21:36:16 10/22/14) Rich-wi- Well you just quantified 100% of the
people of Wisconsin workers as being unable to
perform their jobs.

"99% of the people working in a building have no
clue about anything mechanical in the building.
From something as simple as a bulb out all the way
up to things like a locked up elevator or a
leaking roof, they simply don't know how to fix
it. The other 1% don't care."

Since your Handle indicates that you are from
Wisconsin...Which category do you fall in?

HTH

Quit lying, I did no such thing. I clearly made a generalization and while it included a rather good sized data pool, I laid out where I gathered the information and any reasonable/rational person could see that the rest of the data was extrapolated. You think Im wrong in my assesment? Feel free to put forth your assessment and cite your source like I did.
 
Rich-WI- "cite your source like I did.".

What source did you cite? From your statement All I
got was your opinion and no substantial facts.
 
(quoted from post at 22:59:04 10/22/14) Rich-WI- "cite your source like I did.".

What source did you cite? From your statement All I
got was your opinion and no substantial facts.

Not too good at reading, are ya Greg? Go back and read my responces again, you will see it. Or maybe you wont, there's none so blind as those who will not see.
 
When Hurricane Ike knocked out power here the grocery stores in Harrison, OH brought in dumpsters for all the frozen food.

That was the most wind I've ever experienced.
 
There are outages and then there are outages. The financial industry as a whole is pretty good at disaster recovery planning. Look at 9/11: Wall street was back on line within a week, and no financial data was lost in the disaster. But inevitably there will be problems they didn't properly plan for. The blackout of 2003 was disruptive not so much because banks lost power, but because the telecommunications infrastructure was knocked off line. It's not really the banks' job to make sure the phones work.
 
(quoted from post at 21:37:52 10/22/14) Actually right after the bank manager told me that they would not let me cash out of a CD if the power was out I got a small pile of 20s and 50s.
And......after an outage I would go get food and fuel quickly, not wait 3 weeks. If the power was out for 3 weeks I would want enough cash to be able to buy stuff without having to go to the bank to get money cause credit cards likely will not work.

You don't seem to get it guy. If there's a real large scale power outage there isn't going to BE anything to buy in 3 weeks. Everything will have been bought and later stolen when the riots/looting starts. We did 15 days in January 98 with no power. Had to post guards on the telephone relay station after "they" stole the generator to run it. They stole firewood. There was no power, no generators to buy, no fuel to buy at first, trucks weren't rolling with the travel ban. The travel ban meant you couldn't just hop int he car and drive around looking for supplies. That was a small regional outage. Take out the northeast corridor and you're screwed.

If you really start thinking about it the concept of buying after the problem has occurred is a losing proposition.
 
(quoted from post at 21:59:32 10/22/14) Actually, we had a widespread outage in 2003, if you recall. Google the "Northeast blackout 2003". Power was out for several days across a number of states and Ontario, remember? Funny thing was: I was reconfiguring a transformer at our shop for a robotic system and at the same time I threw the disconnect on, the power went out. Our receptionist happened to be in the shop and thought I just killed the power to the building by some mistake. She checked the neighboring buildings and found ALL power was out. For awhile, she couldn't believe that I didn't cause the whole blackout. It took 3 hours to get home (normal 1/2 hr drive) because none of the signals were working and everyone left work early ALL at the same time. We just sat tight across Michigan for several days. And guess what? There was no rioting or looting.

We keep enough food/water in the house to probably last a couple of weeks at least. (Wife even has a healthy supply of toilet paper stashed away :lol: which will not be my first concern)

That outage lasted 7 hours for most people, 3-4 days for those in the sticks. It was summer. It was a party. Do the same thing in winter and extend it to 2-3 weeks and what do you think will happen?
 
(quoted from post at 23:54:16 10/22/14) Nah, I don't doubt that the businesses around you have basements and generators. Like anything else there are a lot of region specific things that different businesses do because of the differences in the weather, landscape, soil composition, etc, etc.

In the end I'm sure there are a lot of 'behind the scenes' things that none of us will ever know about unless we were to work at that particular business.

Finally, I will take back the whole bank thing to a small degree. My wife works at one of the main customer service centers for Wells Fargo (think a couple of acres, and more than one floor under roof) that I'd almost guarantee has generators. In essence the place is it's own little city. They have medical and eye doctors (maybe a dentist I haven't asked) with offices in the complex, restaurants, convenience stores, a bank branch, laundry mats, and even places for employees to sleep should they get called in and/or stranded at the facility during a major event.

And I bet they are city water and depend on trucks to bring in fuel and food, right? 3 days, maybe 5 and they're done.
 
Just because a branch has generator backup does not mean that the network is up. Any time the power goes out, my cable and Internet also go out, even if my generator is running. I'd imagine that's more common than you care to think.

I love how you all just proclaim what a business should and should not have. Places like grocery stores have run the numbers on the cost of installing/maintaining a backup generator vs. the cost of lost product/sales/productivity.

Simply put, if it were cheaper to have a backup generator, a grocery store would have a backup generator. If it's cheaper to pay the insurance premiums or simply "eat" the cost of lost product, then that is what they will do.

Let me ask you this: If you had to pay more for your groceries to offset the cost of your grocery store having a generator, would you? Because, that's how it works.

My guess is you would go down the road to the grocery store that has cheaper prices, but no generator.
 
There was a bad ice/snow storm here a few years ago. Thousands of electric poles were snapped off. Some people didn't have power for three weeks +. "Our" crews work very quickly, call in crews from surrounding areas. I was lucky and only out 5 days. Some small towns/villages were out a while. It took 4 days to get dug out, 15'+ snow drifts blocking many of the roads, the one to the west of me to get to the highway was over a mile wide. I have been in town without power though, don't know about banks, but all the stores around that I went to do just fine without power.

I live 15 miles from a grocery store and 30 from other supplies, I always keep enough "stuff" on hand to last for some time without town trips. That outage was no big deal for me. I have electric wells for the main cow water, but there will always be windmills here too, so not an issue, don't even need a generator. House, water from the windmills plus could drain the water heater. Groceries all went out to the snowbank and cellar with frozen bottles of water in coolers. Heat, I have a propane gravity floor furnace, I put it in new a couple years ago, replacing another that was at least 60 years old of the same kind. It does not require any electricity, runs nearly silent, and heats efficiently. I would not have something that required electricity as the only heat source in the house, and this kind you can stand on and get warm in the winter, love the thing. I could put a wood stove in too, enough wood around, it's just something I never get around to.
 
guess it depends on where you live, if it is a big deal or not.
Yearly natural disasters, like blizzard country, the bank or store not working is irrelevant. You'll never make it there anyway.
Power outages, roads impassable, watcha gonna do?.
Walk? try it....in most severe storms you will die.
(got a good laugh at that disaster movie where they walked across a couple states during the polar vortex super winter storm..HA)

hunker down, stay warm, drink water out of the toilet tank, eat the dog, survive.
 
mkirsch- Funny that you mention this scenario.

Just this spring a large part of our area was
without power for 4-5 days.

After the power was restored, I went to a WalMart
SuperCenter. All the freezers. coolers and Deli
were emptied. I knew the store manager and asked
him why they didn't have a gen-set. His reply was
that WalMart leaders felt it was cheaper just to
throw the food away instead of trying to maintain
gen-sets at all their stores.

This was a SuperCenter and the amounts of food
they threw away was astronomical.
 
I had a power outage several years ago in my town, the main grocery store.....This is store smaller than a full sized Kroger, but 10 times the size of a well stocked party store. I never saw sooooo many freezers and coolers emptied before. You name it and it was thrown in the dumpster. Pizzas, ice cream, meat, cheese, eggs, a lot of money....all gone. A real shame that they did not have a backup genset.
 
I am not surprised that it's cheaper to lose a whole store's worth of food than it is to put generators in all the stores. I figured it would be.

You guys with the "waste not, want not, no matter the cost" attitude would not do well as businessmen. In a business you have to balance the prices you charge your customers with the cost of operating the business, and come out with a profit. Charge too much, and your customers go elsewhere. Spend too much, and your investors go elsewhere.

In the grand scheme, power outages like that are far and few between. Even in disaster-prone areas, you can go for decades between long power outages.

It would take several complete losses of the refrigerated stock of a store to break even on installing a generator.

Yes, losing all that food is a waste, but it can all be replaced quite easily and cheaply as long as society continues to function.

In a true breakdown-of-society scenario, you can guarantee that NONE of it would go to waste. Looters would clear it out in no time.
 
In the reality of it all.......The insurance company should give the grocery store owner a discount on the premium for having a large genset to run the coolers for a week. Right?
It would even out. A good businessman would want to prevent waste.
 
I agree completely.
Back in 04 SWMBO & I were visiting her daughter in a large east coast city. Daughter was asst manager of a large grocery store. Hurricane hit while we were there, store was in dark for over a week. Names withheld to protect the innocent.
Adding up spoiled/thrown out product, sanitizing coolers & freezers, state inspection before restocking, & loss of sales from being closed, the loss was a bit over a million in her store.
I convinced her that there is a better way.
A few years later she was promoted to store manager, now retired. When the next hurricane threatened she had reefer trailers brought in from dist center, & was ready to transfer perishable product in case power went out. Hired local trucking firm to switch trailer around as needed & tend to the reefers. More dumb luck than good sense, power stayed on, didn't need to do anything.
Being a strong headed girl, she convinced the big wigs to let her install a generator as a test, just enough to keep her refrigeration running in case of blackout. They okayed going all the way, go big enough to stay open.
Next bad storm they were in the dark about 15-30 seconds, just long enough for generator to kick in, only store in neighborhood that stayed open. No lost product, no lost sales from being closed, large decrease in insurance premium.
Now all stores in that chain are being fitted with stand by generators.
Willie
 
>The insurance company should give the grocery store owner a discount on the premium for having a large genset to run the coolers for a week.

What grocery store carries coverage for products lost from a power outage? The big chains "self-insure"; a loss at one or two stores is no big deal when you have a thousand stores. The smaller operators couldn't afford such insurance even if it is available.

My observation is that the smaller stores are more likely to have backup generators. They can ill afford to lose product, but more importantly they can cash in when the big stores have to close.
 
It would even out.

The insurance companies may offer a discount, but how many years would you have to receive this discount to offset the up-front cost of the generator and its maintenance? That's what the bean counters have to figure out, but if it takes too long to pay back, it's a non-starter.

I know what we should do! Let's make a LAW to force businesses to have backup generators! Then make a LAW that prevents them from raising prices to offset the cost of the generators!

That will be GREAT for business! Squeeze their margins even more to comply with yet another anti-business regulation.
 

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