John Deere 4430 tread width question

timbo4020

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Can anyone tell me what is the narrowest width possible at the outsides of the rear tires on a 4430?

I'd figure one of you guys running duals may know based on the outer edge of your inside dual?

Thanks!
 
What size tires? Measure the actual width of each tire at the widest point, the width of the cab under the fenders, and add them all together. Add a couple inches for tire to cab clearance. You may have to move the rims on the centers to achieve that width.
 
Reason I'm asking is that I have a 14,000 gvw trailer with a deck width of 84" between the fenders. I haven't picked up the 4430 yet. I need to know if it can be adjusted narrow enough to fit into 84" to fit between the fenders. It has 18.4-38 rears.
 
Tread spacing plus tire width gives overall width. If set at 60" center-to-center it will be about 80 inches wide overall once tire bulge and all is accounted for.
 
If I remember correctly you could order the 4430 from the factory with a longer axle. Just saying there could be some longer ones around.
 
Forget about it! It will not fit. I have seen a lot of people trying to haul a full sized tractor on trailers with fenders and the fenders are just not wide enough. You need a full deck trailer with a legal capacity of 19,000 lbs. to safely and legally haul a tractor of that size.
 
I have seen professionally hauled tractors with half the tire tread
hanging off both sides of the trailer floor so you may be in
better shape than you think. These were well chained and
boomered and all so as to not be able to move.

Knew a guy that said one time he was hauling a new JD with the
long (dual accessible) axles sticking out so far as to require an
Oversize Load sign and all.

He said he waited till night, got a can of flat black and a can of JD
Yellow. He painted the axles black for the trip then returned it
to yellow when he arrived.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 10:00:16 10/21/14)

Knew a guy that said one time he was hauling a new JD with the
long (dual accessible) axles sticking out so far as to require an
Oversize Load sign and all.

He said he waited till night, got a can of flat black and a can of JD
Yellow. He painted the axles black for the trip then returned it
to yellow when he arrived.Mark

Mark
JD rear axles were not painted yellow from the factory.
Jim
 
(quoted from post at 10:30:03 10/21/14) Forget about it! It will not fit. I have seen a lot of people trying to haul a full sized tractor on trailers with fenders and the fenders are just not wide enough. You need a full deck trailer with a legal capacity of 19,000 lbs. to safely and legally haul a tractor of that size.

Right now, I haul a 4020 diesel, and a 4000 diesel narrowed to 83" on this trailer all the time. They both weigh in at about 8200 lbs and have 18.4-34's, and I have no problems at all. In fact, it's actually better than a deck over because the center of gravity is low, and there's ZERO top heavy sway because if it. 14,000 gvw - 3500 (trailer weight) - 8200 (tractor weight) = 2300 lbs I'm still legally allowed to haul on the same load. I figure I can haul a tractor that weighs 10,500 legally. I have both the 4000, and 4020 narrow enough for the trailer. I wanted to know if it's possible for the 4430 to be narrowed to the same dimensions as the 4020 and 4000. It's nice hauling those tractors closer to the ground.
 
(quoted from post at 13:29:16 10/21/14) Can you drive the tractor to its destination?

The tractor is coming from Philidelphia Pa, to Lancaster, SC. No problem hauling it if it can be narrowed to 84" maximum outside edge of tires.
 
A JD 4430 can be as narrow as 82 inches with a few inches clearance between the fenders and the inside of the tires. Just measured one in the shed.

I would worry more about the weight. Especially on the route your going to need to take to get from PA to SC. There is not a flat way to do that. LOL

Also for a JD 4430 to weight under 10500 it would need to be really stripped down. That would be with flat top fenders, sycro-range transmission, and no ballast of any kind. Most of the ones I haul have cabs, ballast, and Quad-range transmissions. They will weight right at 15,000- 16,000 lbs.

A JD 4430 is a whole lot more tractor than a JD 4020 or JD 4000.

I want you to have a safe trip I don't see that with just a 14,000 LBS trailer. Also is this trailer a bumper hitch trailer??? What do you pull it with??? Just curious. If you have a heavy trailer behind a dauled wheeled truck then you might be OK.
 
(quoted from post at 22:39:29 10/21/14) A JD 4430 can be as narrow as 82 inches with a few inches clearance between the fenders and the inside of the tires. Just measured one in the shed.

I would worry more about the weight. Especially on the route your going to need to take to get from PA to SC. There is not a flat way to do that. LOL

Also for a JD 4430 to weight under 10500 it would need to be really stripped down. That would be with flat top fenders, sycro-range transmission, and no ballast of any kind. Most of the ones I haul have cabs, ballast, and Quad-range transmissions. They will weight right at 15,000- 16,000 lbs.

A JD 4430 is a whole lot more tractor than a JD 4020 or JD 4000.

I want you to have a safe trip I don't see that with just a 14,000 LBS trailer. Also is this trailer a bumper hitch trailer??? What do you pull it with??? Just curious. If you have a heavy trailer behind a dauled wheeled truck then you might be OK.

I hear ya on everything you're telling me, and definitely agree on a 4430 being a whole lot more tractor than a 4000 or 4020.

I can take my choice of a 4430 open station with a power shift, or a 4 post synchro range. I'm really gathering opinions from you guys. I may have to have it hauled here, and then lighten it up after it gets here. I'm wanting one to tractor pull with, and plan on getting it lighter, but I'd really like to haul it here myself. I'm not going to be dangerous about it, just collecting info.

I worked for a Deere dealer in PA for 10 years, and hauled many of these tractors with tilt beds and low boy trailers, and was just wishful thinking on if a 4430 could be hauled with what I own personally. I'm not satisfied with the answer that 'I can't do it' just yet...
 

Tim if your going to tractor pull then you DO not want a power shift one. They are heavier and will not make a good tractor puller. The four post , syncro-range would be a better match for what your doing.
 
(quoted from post at 23:59:10 10/21/14)
Tim if your going to tractor pull then you DO not want a power shift one. They are heavier and will not make a good tractor puller. The four post , syncro-range would be a better match for what your doing.

I was thinking the same about the power shift for pulling, putting extra power to the power shift may not be a good thing.

In your opinion, would an open station or 4 post quad range with no ballast make 10,500lbs or less? Or will it have to be an open station synchro? Do you know how much a 4 post synchro weighs?
 

I saw those weight ranges too, that's why I was thinking that 10,500lbs wasn't out of the question to achieve.
 
Well that's what he said and probably had a few too many beers at
that. He was a transplanted Nebraska Farmer and a good neighbor.

I didn't know what color they were painted. But he got a laugh and
that's apparently what he was after.

Thanks,
Mark
 

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