Tractor Rollover Kills Forrmer OH Congressman!

James Trafficant I just read was killed by a "vintage tractor"... Does anybody know what tractor it was? & exactly how it happened?
 
newspaper says it was a '43 Ford
some folks say he had a heart attack and the tractor went on .......
hit something and flipped.
 
I just read that on the yahoo news blurb.

James Traficant was from Ohio that served 7 years in prison for taking bribes and kickbacks......real piece of garbage. And, he was a nnalert....so what else is new?
 
James tried to expose other nnalert and was railroaded. They refused to let him show his evidence in his trial. He was one of the good nnalert that tried to tell the truth rather than spew talking points. He represented himself in his trial because he didn't trust the people from his area. He was correct in all accounts. The nnalert destroyed him to keep him quiet. He received thousands of votes while in jail to retain his seat. I would say the people that were the real piece of work was the ones that put him away in the cover up. You have to go back and see who was running the show at the time of his trial.
 
the biggest crime I saw in the trial was that he made staffers go to his home and mow the lawn. Oh the humanity, we sure don't see bad things like that going on in government.
 
Back in the day, I was working with a dealer salesman one day and he said we had an appointment for lunch with the Director of Public Works of one of the suburbs of Detroit. He told me that the guy was a retired colonel from the army.

Later, sitting in a dark booth, the salesman handed the guy an envelope with money in it. The Director looked into the envelope and said: "You'll get the bid" (for equipment that wasn't mine). I started to look around to see if we were under survalence. Was glad to get out of there, as I am definately allergic to handcuffs.
 
Dick L has it correct, Jim was railroaded by the corrupt legal system in this country.
If you people will recall in a former post I said the major news media won't have anything good to say about Jim.
There is an element of people in this country that want forgiveness for they selves but not for others of different opinions.
Jim suffered the wrath of the establishment when he represented John Djeminak (spelled wrong) when the controlled media in this country tried to prove he was Ivan the Terriable, the Israeli supreme court cleared John of all charges, but the witch hunters in this country wouldn't give up.
There way of thinking is if some one lived within 10 miles of a constration camp they are guilty by association.
With out people like Jim Trafficant this country would be closer to communism than we are.
 
I heard the other day that it happened and he was in critical condition. I didn't know he'd passed away.
 
I have no use for James Traficant. He wanted to dam up the Grand river in Ashtabula county Ohio. That would be 105,000 acres flooded including MY LAND.
 
I think Illinois isn't as corrupt as Wisconsin or Michigan, in Illinois they catch and punish corrupt governors. Wisconsin and Michigan are still 0 & 3 on doing anything (other than re-electing) corrupt governors.
 
I remember some very positive things about him on news talk shows, like Meet The Press- he was a very conservative nnalert. Sounded like he didn"t fit in well with the others of his party.
 
I liked James Trafficant. I'm not from Ohio, but I used to listen to his rants about the problems in Washington.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:59 09/27/14) The guy is dead. Show some respect!

Why? I see that he was convicted by a jury for corruption. I have no reason to show him respect. I do feel sorry of his family. He put them through a living hell.

Rick
 
Old tanker,
I suppose you came to your conclusion by reading about it in the controlled new media that is so ever prevalent
In the trial they wouldn't let him produce evidence that would prove his innocence.
But the news media forgot to tell people that very fact.
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:12 09/27/14) Old tanker,
I suppose you came to your conclusion by reading about it in the controlled new media that is so ever prevalent
In the trial they wouldn't let him produce evidence that would prove his innocence.
But the news media forgot to tell people that very fact.

Really? And he never produced that evidence even after his jail time to clear his name? Sorry, that's a bit far out there. It doesn't matter if he was willing to roll over on others. That doesn't prove he's innocent. All it proves is that he was willing to toss someone under the bus to get a lighter sentence. And why on earth would the abundant news media refuse to publish said evidence even after the other party took over? Like I say, you have proof? Then prove it. Lets see hard copy, verifiable proof.

Rick
 
OK here is his defense and backing for his claims:

“My stomach is upset,” he said to the committee. ”I’m having some rectal disorders, as a matter of fact. And I am hard to live with. I want you to disregard all the opposing counsel has said. I think they are delusionary. I think they have had something funny for lunch in their meal. I think they should be handcuffed to a chain-linked fence and flogged. And all of their hearsay evidence should be thrown the hell out. And if they lie again, I’m going to go over and kick them in the crotch.”

OK, colorful but hardly proof of innocence. In fact when they expelled him only one vote was cast in his favor, by another dirty politician who was in trouble at the time.

You may like him because he yelled about outsourcing. But trying to outlaw outsourcing would be against the law. So yelling about it when it's impossible to do anything about it is showboating and only fools the voters. Guess what? The current administration is trying to figure out a way to say companies can't move their HQ to another country. Wonder why they haven't done it? Because there is nothing that grants them the power to do it. In other words it's illegal to stop companies form doing just that. It's the government that is being unpatriotic taxing companies to the point where they are leaving the US. That is going to hurt the US economy in the long run. The company doesn't owe the government patriotism. They owe the stock holder the best possible return on their investment. If there is no return they will invest their money overseas. And that's going to hurt a lot of working class people who are relying on 401k's for retirement. Unless those managing the 401k's dumps stocks in US based companies and only invest in foreign based companies to get a better return. It's like a year or so ago they tried coming up with a way to prevent or punish US citizens who exercise their right to renounce their citizenship. You start taking away basic rights where does it stop?

Just because what he said seemed to make sense to you doesn't mean it would be legal.

And don't get me wrong. I don't trust any politician. Given the chance they will all betray the voting public for personal gain. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.

Rick
 
Yep he was hated by both sides in DC because he as James Kilpatrick used say "Committed Truth" the #1 sin a politician could commit in DC.Plenty of the elected crooks up there did as bad or worse than he did and never served a day or were never charged.
 
(quoted from post at 05:47:01 09/28/14) I'm sure his family will be comforted by all the heartfelt condolences here.

I'm sure his family is hearing this from a lot of other sources. As I said I have sympathy for them for him having drug them through the mud with himself. I'm sorry they have to deal with it. But In my book, for the man, none. You earn respect by how you conduct yourself. Whatever respect he may have earned for himself he flushed down the toilet when he betrayed the trust of the people who elected him.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:32:28 09/28/14) I agree, everything becomes political, full of hate.

David, kinda hard to keep politics out of it when the person being talked about was a politician who was convicted on corruption charges. I for one haven't blamed a party, just the man. All of the parties are dirty.

I have written nothing here that I would not say in front of the family. When a person tosses their hat into the political ring they are including their family with it.

Rick
 
The Crook County commissioners wouldn't let them film Blues Brothers in Chicago, so they went over their heads, to the people who owned the commissioners.
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:12 09/27/14) Old tanker,
I suppose you came to your conclusion by reading about it in the controlled new media that is so ever prevalent
In the trial they wouldn't let him produce evidence that would prove his innocence.
But the news media forgot to tell people that very fact.

Exactly. People from the area (like myself) know what Trafficant was really about, not what the media chooses to say about them. I thought it was class-less of the media to drag his trial into the mix of the news of his accident and death. He was a true "people's" politician. He sure was entertaining to watch and listen to. He spoke his mind and didn't give a damn what people thought.
 

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