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Went to the store today with SWMBO.

The teenager checking us out had a LSU shirt on.
I ask her if her team would win today.
She says I just wear the shirt cause I like it not because I am a team supporter.
So I ask will you at least be part of the "alumni" one day.
She looked at me dumbfounded.
She did not know what alumni meant.
The bill was $165.50 so I gave her $206.00
She stood there looking at the money like a deer in headlights till I told her just punch the amount in the register and it will give you my change amount of $40.50
I ask her what school she went to and she responded......
I am a junior at XX high school.

I do not know where we have gone wrong but this will one day be the downfall of our country.
My dad never got past 6th grade and was way smarter than this girl.
 
There seems to be a very large gap between the brilliant ones and the mulitudes like you describe.

Very discouraging, isn't it?
 
They're not all like that. Cute little gal at Mickey D's is a pleasure to deal with- has a good retort to anything I say, and is never flummoxed by making change. I see they've got her walking around with a clipboard now, rather than working "the line"- I think they recognize talent when they see it. I also think that soon, McD's will only be a memory for her.
 
It's that Common Core Education system. Now they have to dumb everything down so no one feels left out. Its ridiculous. I'm not bragging but I am pretty smart. I can do math in my head most need a scientific calculator to do. I always got a B or C in high school math because I couldn't show my work. How the heck do you show your work when you can look at a problem and solve it instantly? Once I got to college and they didn't care about the work I got A's in all my math classes. Had I been a more diligent student could've been a 4.0 but I liked my fun. I double majored in beer and women in college with grades of A and DD respectfully. LOL just kidding I was a good kid and have a degree in Conservation Ecology and minor in Biology.

PS I graduated high school in 2009 college in 2013.
 
Did the same thing at McD's a few weeks back, bill was $2.69 gave the boy $5.69, said you gave me to much money, yup three dollars to much, girl behind him said just give him 3 dollars, and then explained to him what was going on.
 
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(quoted from post at 19:52:00 09/20/14) $206.00?
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It was a new $206 bill?
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Two twenties take up less room than 39 dollars worth of bills, that's only if she was smart enough to hand out the twenties and not a mitt full of singles!
 
john--I share your concern, but I have to mention what I witnessed a few months ago:
An auto club was having our monthly meeting at a local restaurant. There was a total of 18 people setting at a long table. A young girl, probably in her late teens, came to take our orders. She asked everyone for their order and never wrote down a single order. No, she didn't record our orders because someone asked her later.
Food arrived a short time later and she and another girl placed each person's order in front of them!
Not a single mistake, and we were all without words.
Needless to say, she didn't work there long.

[b:8078148aa2][i:8078148aa2]I just had to edit this post because I read it to my wife and she said that the advantage was to the young girl--most of us didn't remember what we ordered![/i:8078148aa2][/b:8078148aa2] [i:8078148aa2][b:8078148aa2]LOL[/b:8078148aa2][/i:8078148aa2]
 
It's not just kids, I volunteered at a local Habitat For Humanity fundraiser and they found out I could count change all of the sudden I'm promoted from putting pizza on a plate to cashier and I don't think we had anyone under 30 working at the pizza stand.
 
When the "kid" was a little nervous talking to you it's harder to think about what the difference of those numbers is. Being by oneself without someone looking over your shoulder makes it easier.
 
There are many clever, talented youngsters in the school systems who take good advantage of what is offered them, go on to college of some sort and do well. The problem is with the schools who do not deal well with the 50 to 75% who are not especially academic, but may have other interests and abilities. Vocational programs have been eliminated or greatly reduced due to budget problems and the idea that all kids should be pushed toward college. State education departments insist that all kids should take college prep courses when a good many should get a firm grounding in workplace math, business english and civic responsibility instead. When kids are not offered the type of schooling that best meets their needs, they tend to become bored and unruly. That's not to say that there are some parents who do not model respect and responsibility very well, and some are overly involved- both do not help matters. However, education in this country needs a major, major overhaul. I do not see it happening anytime soon- do you? Rand- teacher and counselor at an addiction recovery program
 
IMHO there were 2 major changes that has hurt education. When the department of education was formed it took most of the control away from local schools. As many things started by the feds, that in itself wasn't all bad but when the problems were fixed the bureaucrats had to justify their jobs and that's when the problems started.
And two was what Title IV did to school sports. When I was in HS we had football, boys basketball and boys and girls track. Now we have football, volleyball, boys and girls basketball, boys and girls track, tennis, golf, baseball and softball. Not to mention now cheerleading is considered a sport. Academics are now an extra curricular activity.
On the flipside there are some good schools and students. Just the other day I had a kid count my change back to me. I made it a point to thank on the young man and brag on him to the boss.
 
Valleview- I see your point. I worked at a juvenile residential treatment facility for many years.

It seemed to me that not only was education system failing the youth but, the parents were doing a greater harm to their children.

We would routinely catch parents sneaking contraband in to their kids. I'm not talking about candy or gum but...cigarettes, weed, etc.

I blame it mostly on the parenting.
 
Received a call the other day from this girls dad. He said if we could, she would like us to find her first pay check she received. It was here first job before she started her junior year in high school. She received her doctors degree this spring. She was the best employee we had.
 
While there is a very good chance that she is naturally stupid courtesy of her genetic makeup it does not help that the majority of the so called ''educators'' in the modern public school system are halfwits. I seriously doubt if 25% of the teachers that young lady has had in her lifetime could stand on their own working a cash register or managing a meal service at Mcdonalds.
 
Originator probably meant this as funny, but
> too close to the truth. Terribly sad.
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> Years of Math 1950 -
> 2014
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> Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King
> for $2.58. The counter girl took my $ 3 and I was digging for my change when
> I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding
> the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I
> sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters ,
> but she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to explain the
> transaction to her, she stood there and cried. Why do I tell you this?
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the
> 1950s:
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> 1. Teaching Math In
> 1950s
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> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
> His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit
> ?
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> 2. Teaching Math In
> 1960s
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> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
> His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his
> profit?
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> 3. Teaching Math In
> 1970s
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> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
> His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
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> 4. Teaching Math In
> 1980s
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> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
> His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment:
> Underline the number 20.
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> 5. Teaching Math In
> 1990s
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> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because
> he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals
> or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit
> of $20.. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class
> participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels
> feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if
> you feel like crying, it's ok. )
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> 6. Teaching Math In 2000
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> Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara
> $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha
> hecho?
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> 7. Teaching Math In 2014
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> Who cares, just steal the lumber from your
> rich neighbor's property. He won't have a gun to stop you, and the President
> says it's OK anyway because its a redistribution of
> wealth.
 
I'm a public school teacher. This is a subject that I have given much thought over the years. A school is just a microcosm of your community, and a child is a reflection of the parent. Within the limits of our IQ, we can rise to any occasion.
 
I went to a doctors office one time and I had a bill of $15, I gave the woman a 100 dollar bill. She had to do the math to get my change of 85 dollars. Stupid people are all over and in places where you do not want them, such as a doctors office handing out medication and filling Rx bottles. ====== SCARY STUFF ======
 
When I started at the vocational school the man who was also new could not believe that it took a week of classe time for him to teach Juniors in High school on how to make change!
 
You can't fix a system that is this broken without a major overhaul. I mean a MAJOR overhaul. School has become an arm of gov't, another bureaucracy shuffling the beans (kids) through the system. You can't make a kid learn if he doesn't want to or is missing the basics that he never got way back when. So they get shuffled through. You can't "mainstream" a special needs kid that can't read or talk or hear or who has other developmental disabilities and stick him in a classroom with the "regular" kids and have him do anything but fail. It's not that our kids are all stupid, it's the system and our society/culture. It's over regulation and meddling and micro management from gov't. It's unfunded mandates and teachers that can't teach or don't care to try and a system that crushes the good teachers under the heel of conformity. It's making school take the place of home for so many and conflicting with home for others. It's administrators that never taught, never had a kid of their own and weren't particularly bright to start with.

This is what I get from my wife the teacher. We started homeschooling our kids this year.
 
Dont blame (all) the schools cause the kids are stupid. There are many great underpaid teachers that work very hard for much less then they deserve. Take a look at the parents or lack of said parents. It all starts at home, unfortunately this generation is going to raise the next and no matter how dumb gods creation is they always figure out how to do one thing.....
 
it's in a downward spiral as far as training one to use their brain,nowadays they use calculators for math, computers for spelling and that coincides with the ultimate way of communication and it proper use and spelling of the english language ie texting, top of the heap if it isn't sports school system isn't interested
 
Let a few facts intrude:

Teacher Quality -- Louisian ranks 29th -- Iowa ranks 40th in this category.

This is the result of the recent Thomas Fordham Foundation study. Teacher "quality" was measured by how the:
1.States punish or reward teachers and administrators for student achievement,
2.Conducts checks on teachers' backgrounds and college course work, and
3.How much power the state gives for individual schools to hire and fire teachers.


Education Input --- Louisiana ranks 40th and Iowa ranks 41st in this category.

Four measurements were standardized and then averaged for this variable:[2]
1.Average teacher salaries,
2.Pupil/teacher ratios,
3.Education cost per student, and
4.The Thomas Fordham results
 
My Grandniece just returned from a science trip to Central America. She is a Jr. in a California High School. Won't get into my feelings about her going.

Upon returning she did this "dissertation" detailing the trip and how much she learned and enjoyed such.

I started reading it and got distracted by her fluent usage of proper grammar, punctuation, sentence structure, and all the whistles and bells.

The cover sheet was a matrix of photographs she created, all blended together into one sheet (no borders) encompassing approximately 6 photos. Absolutely beautiful and creative.

I emailed my Sister (her Grandmother) and complimented her on her excellent "gene" transfer. She is a professional artist with a MS in the subject. She was thrilled that I did what I did and was also very pleased with the family's efforts.

So I said to myself, all is not bad regardless of the overt pressures applied. There IS hope.

(Now don't go picking on me if I goofed up on something in writing this (grammatically). I've been out of college since the early '60' s...grin)

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 21:31:33 09/20/14) There are many clever, talented youngsters in the school systems who take good advantage of what is offered them, go on to college of some sort and do well. The problem is with the schools who do not deal well with the 50 to 75% who are not especially academic, but may have other interests and abilities. Vocational programs have been eliminated or greatly reduced due to budget problems and the idea that all kids should be pushed toward college. State education departments insist that all kids should take college prep courses when a good many should get a firm grounding in workplace math, business english and civic responsibility instead. When kids are not offered the type of schooling that best meets their needs, they tend to become bored and unruly. That's not to say that there are some parents who do not model respect and responsibility very well, and some are overly involved- both do not help matters. However, education in this country needs a major, major overhaul. I do not see it happening anytime soon- do you? Rand- teacher and counselor at an addiction recovery program
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Valley view. You pretty much have it covered.
 
I had to chuckle at your post.

A 15, 16 year old high school girl working as a cashier is probably used to having her chest checked out, being asked personal questions, hassled, teased, and given oddball requests that make her job tougher several times a day from boys her own age. Getting that from a married man as old or older than her father might have really freaked her out. I know that was not your intention, but it might have been perceived that way. Some large chain stores have their employees wear aprons so their female employees don't get hassled as much.

It's good that your wife understood and didn't freak out too.
 
(quoted from post at 11:37:26 09/21/14) Let a few facts intrude:

Teacher Quality -- Louisian ranks 29th -- Iowa ranks 40th in this category.

This is the result of the recent Thomas Fordham Foundation study. Teacher "quality" was measured by how the:
1.States punish or reward teachers and administrators for student achievement,
2.Conducts checks on teachers' backgrounds and college course work, and
3.How much power the state gives for individual schools to hire and fire teachers.


Education Input --- Louisiana ranks 40th and Iowa ranks 41st in this category.

Four measurements were standardized and then averaged for this variable:[2]
1.Average teacher salaries,
2.Pupil/teacher ratios,
3.Education cost per student, and
4.The Thomas Fordham results
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Amazing. Yeah boy, with a rating system like those I don't see how education can do anything but get better...... :roll:
 
You can't blame the schools for not being able to wedge anything into the minds of the kids. We're raising a bunch of mindless idiots that can't function if it doesn't come to them on their "SMART" phone. As parents, we allow that to stand and don't try to correct the problem.
 
What is your point? I don't advocate for any particular system, I know throwing more money at the system is not the answer because that is all that has been tried for 40 years and we have lost plenty of ground. I was pointing out in reply to another poster that Louisiana does indeed ''fully fund'' the state educational system with the same poor results as other states who spend less.
 
This whole discussion was started by a man giving a teenage girl an oddball amount of money to pay a bill. It threw her for a loop, so she is automatically stupid and the education system is broken beyond repair?

Who is stupid? The girl, or the 99,999 other people who, when presented with a charge of $165.50 and paying cash, would peel off nine $20 bills, or one $100 and four $20's, or two $100's, or even make exact change?

There's a first time for everything and this was probably the first time this girl had seen "strategic change-making" because everyone else would have taken the $34.50 or $14.50. She's young. Give her a break. Maybe even explain why you did what you did (i.e. to end up with a smaller stack of bills in your wallet). She might learn something.

Naw, it's more fun to call her stupid and complain about the educational system...
 
(quoted from post at 08:35:31 09/22/14) What is your point? I don't advocate for any particular system, I know throwing more money at the system is not the answer because that is all that has been tried for 40 years and we have lost plenty of ground. I was pointing out in reply to another poster that Louisiana does indeed ''fully fund'' the state educational system with the same poor results as other states who spend less.
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If you were referring to my post just above, I was agreeing with you.

I really wish people would use Modern View and the quote function or at least write the name of the person they are replying to.
 
(quoted from post at 04:30:24 09/23/14)
(quoted from post at 08:35:31 09/22/14) What is your point? I don't advocate for any particular system, I know throwing more money at the system is not the answer because that is all that has been tried for 40 years and we have lost plenty of ground. I was pointing out in reply to another poster that Louisiana does indeed ''fully fund'' the state educational system with the same poor results as other states who spend less.
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If you were referring to my post just above, I was agreeing with you.

I really wish people would use Modern View and the quote function or at least write the name of the person they are replying to.
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I'll second that!!!
 
(quoted from post at 04:35:06 09/21/14) I think you mean Title IX. But sometimes math is hard.
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Not really, Roman numberals are sometimes hard, for some. I have heard of Title 9 but not Title 6!
 
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