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Re: Generator Test Revisited RANT ALERT

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Waltdavies

07-10-2014 09:44:57
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John just how much stock do you own in copper wire. In the olden days we had two wires hot and neutral and a plug that could be put in either way so sometimes the case was hot and then turn the plug and the case is grounded. So we made plugs that would only go in one way then the case would never be hot. I grew up using these old systems and yes you could get a pretty good shock if the plug was in wrong just by touching the case and a good ground, BUMMER. So now we have made the plugs so that they will only fit one way a good thing no more getting shocked by holding the water faucet and waffle iron case. Remember this is before plastic. I have a pretty good collection of old waffle irons and I only use the more modern ones that are set to only one way that the plug will go in. Now the government came along and backed up by the copper wire co. they added the ground wire which goes from the neutral wire (metal case) to the neutral bar on the main box. Now what does this socalled ground wire do. Well it sure helps the copper wire co. Well anyway enjoy your stocks.
Walt

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buickanddeere

07-10-2014 10:52:24
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 Re: Generator Test Revisited RANT ALERT in reply to Waltdavies, 07-10-2014 09:44:57  
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Spare us the conspiracy story.
The ground system is used to hold metallic equipment to earth potential in case of induction, lightening or insulation failure.
The ground system is not supposed to carry load current.
The insulated load conductor we call the neutral is not dead , it's live but the neutralheld close to true earth potential by the ground system. This also prevents the secondary side of the transformer from floating hundreds or thousands of volts above earth potential.
The triplex overhead service supply would never be allowed today but is "grandfathered" and used. Much like the two prong receptacles with same sized plug blades.Much better is an overhead quad or quad/four wire underground. Thing is most folk just want the cheapest way of making the lamps light up.

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John T

07-10-2014 10:00:44
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 Re: Generator Test Revisited RANT ALERT in reply to Waltdavies, 07-10-2014 09:44:57  
Thanks Walt, as it turns out I recently did own some shares of Copper but it lost money!!! as compared to my earlier investment in Silver which made good money, SO NO MORE COPPER STOCK FOR ME GRRRRRRR LOL

Yes indeed, Ive been in houses that had the old 2 wire knob and tube. Then it was discovered how much safer and how many many more lives could be saved and perhaps fewer houses burned down if a proper 3 wire ground system was used and it proved to be correct and lives were saved yayyyyyyyyyyy

Of course, if you prefer the old less safe 2 wire system THATS YOUR BUSINESS AND CHOICE AND IF YOURE WILLING TO BET YOUR LIFE ON IT YOU GET NO ARGUMENT OR CRITICISM FROM ME. Go for it

YES Walt, Im well aware of doubled insulated tools and 2 wire cords and plugs and how often its used NOT a problem, Im only talking about situations where the outer conductive metallic case frame of a saw or tool or motor or welder or appliance or implement is indeed attached to the third safety ground wire WHICH IS MUCH SAFER then if that fault current flows through your ticker grrrrrrrr. BUT THAT SYSTEM REQUIRES 3 WIRES YA REALIZE!!!!!!!!!!!! If only two and a short goes to the case fault current can seek a path through you instead of the third wire SORRY IM GOING WITH THE SAFER THIRD WIRE so fault current is in it instead of my heart, but you do as you please

Im here to help not fight or argue and since I know for a scientific fact (based on education and 40 years in the field) the current more modern NEC 3 wire system is safer, I choose for my home and family to use it.

I respect your choice and expect you in return to respect mine. Use whatever method you desire, no fight from me its your home and your life!!!

God Bless you and best wishes

John T

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JMOR

07-10-2014 09:49:28
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 Re: Generator Test Revisited RANT ALERT in reply to Waltdavies, 07-10-2014 09:44:57  
Walt, this ought to answer your question. And without the safety ground, if drill has internal short to case, the whole case goes to hot.
[URL=http://s192.photobucket.com/user/JMOR_photo/media/Other/grounding_safety.jpg.html][/URL]
This post was edited by JMOR at 09:53:37 07/10/14.

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John T

07-10-2014 10:03:57
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 Re: Generator Test Revisited RANT ALERT in reply to JMOR, 07-10-2014 09:49:28  
THANKS JMOR your picture is worth a thousand words, it may help Walt understand it I hope??? But hey I try my best to explain it and maybe save a persons life Im just no good at posting pictures lol

John T



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