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NCWayne

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Just looking at one of the sites I frequently check out, and saw this. Looks like the guy has accumulated 8500 rounds of unneeded .22LR ammo and is now trying to sell it off for 10 cents a round, or probably 2 to 3 times what he actually bought it for. Ok, I know, that's just an assumption, but I me and my wife and daughter all love to shoot on the weekends when we get the opportunity, and I thought having 2000 rounds, bought over time, before the shortage began, was a bit extreme....but this guy seems to have 8500 excess rounds to get rid of..... Guess I was wrong.....
Poke here
 
Its called Capitalism,Buy low Sell high when price goes up obviously he saw into the future a lot better than you did now you pay $$ for being short sighted.
Gold and Silver are cheap right now and they'll be up dramatically in the next 5 years I predict.And BTW I did stock up pretty good on ammo a fews years back when it was cheap but I'm not selling.
 
he has 8500 rds. and you have 2000 rds. sounds like he's just a bigger hoarder then you...at what number do you become a hoarder ????
 
(quoted from post at 02:03:04 04/26/14) Its called Capitalism,Buy low Sell high when price goes up obviously he saw into the future a lot better than you did now you pay $$ for being short sighted.
Gold and Silver are cheap right now and they'll be up dramatically in the next 5 years I predict.And BTW I did stock up pretty good on ammo a fews years back when it was cheap but I'm not selling.
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Kinda funny but most states have laws covering gouging but they never, ever go after a private seller because gouging really doesn't apply to private sales.

Hoarding? Yes and no. I love to shoot. When I see ammo on sale I pick some up against shooting it up. Right before all this nonsense started I caught several good sales on .22. Wasn't really paying attention. About 6 months ago I caught a store with bricks of .22 on the shelf. So I grabbed one. Got home and when putting it away realized that with the new brick I had a little over 3,000 rounds. That was hoarding by accident.

Rick
 
8500 is a lightweight compared to most. Lots of guys with 20-100k stockpiles of .22LR. Why in not sure. I would like a few bricks to shoot. Bought a new 10/.22 last Sept. Still have not shot it
 
Don't see anything wrong with it. When crop prices were sky high a couple years ago, no one was calling farmers gougers. It's all supply and demand. If you don't need it or want it don't buy it. I won't buy it at those prices. All it takes is a little patience and some time on the web (smart phone comes in handy) and you can get all you need.
 
Hey TF, a year ago gold was trading around $1400 an ounce. At that time you insisted it was a good investment. If I had taken your advice then, I would have lost about ten percent of my investment after paying commissions. On the other hand, the S&P 500 (in which I am heavily invested) rose about 15 percent in that same period.

But keep up with the gold pitch. I might take your advice once gold drops below 900 bucks. But probably not.
One year ago
 
Guys like you said the same thing about ammo a few years ago,but as the saying goes time will tell.Actually I hope you're right and I'm wrong because when Gold goes up that'll mean the US currency and economy is crashing and thats bad news for everyone.But hope for the best and plan for the worst is my motto and I may need all my ammo then too unfortunately.
 
The way things are going in this country and even worse in some states (like NY) - I see nothing strange. I bought 20,000 rounds of ammo last year before the new NY laws were put into effect. No more mail-ordered ammo allowed in NY. I bought a 1400 rounds of long-rifle .22s last month here in Michigan for 4 cents per round. I get sales fliers from Sportmansguide and when they have a good deal in stock - I grab it before it's gone.
 
My son recently bought 5000 rounds off internet $.043. He would get a text alert, have pre-programmed all info in, all he had to do is push buy. Other wise ammo was sold in seconds.
 
Hoarders and preppers are snapping up all the 22 ammo supply here.. I've been to Wally World a dozen times to find the shelves empty.. Gun Shops are selling ammo at double or more than usual..My supply is dismal at best.. At last count I had 175 22's.. Shoulda been hoardin myself...
 
YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED NOW. NO SHORTAGE, JUST NEW RULES. He tried many times to buy ammo, with no luck. He would like to go to Wal-Mart and buy a box of 550 rounds for $10, but those days are gone. Get a smart phone and do like he did.
 
what I find amazing about the 22 shortage is that so many people still use it.

I don't think I've fired more than 100 rounds of .22 in the past three decades. Nor has anybody that I know.

I know some people enjoy them, but I guess I've just always liked the bigger bang of larger calibers.

Any plinking type shooting I do is usually .223 or 9mm. Neither is so bad cost wise bought in bulk. Not cheap of course, but I just have more fun with it, and don't mind spending more for it.

Funny thing is, now that the .22 is so hard to get, it's got me wanting to get some! It's got me thinking maybe I should try it as a cheaper option.

I keep eyeballing my dusty old 22 now.

I wonder how many others out there like me never knew they wanted .22 rounds until it became scarce.
 
TF, I'm not sure what you mean by "guys like you". If you mean "guys whose predictions often turn out to be correct", then I'll accept the compliment.

I will tell you what I've said about ammo in the past. Most of those threads have been poofed, so you'll have to take my word on it.

Ammo shortages first hit centerfire cartridges about six years ago. At the time, I said the shortage was a combination of high demand and limited capacity. Ammo plants were operating at full capacity at the time to meet military and civilian demand, and this was causing shortages of components, particularly primers. I said the shortage would eventually pass, and for the most part it has. Prices remain high, but you can get ammo for most popular calibers. The shortage never really affected me because I don't buy commercial ammo and I have enough reloading supplies on hand to last me many years.

As for the .22 rimfire shortage, I've said and continue to say it is caused by hoarding, and that supply will eventually catch up with demand. IMO, the rimfire shortage is fallout from the centerfire shortage: When hoarders couldn't get centerfire ammo at any price, they turned to rimfire ammo which was cheaper and easier to resell. The ad referenced in the original post supports my theory; it looks like this guy wants to take his profits before the bottom falls out of the market. FWIW, I don't own any rimfire guns so I really don't care much about the rimfire shortage one way or another. But if the shortage is still around this time next year, I'll freely admit I was wrong.
 
(quoted from post at 07:19:07 04/26/14) 8500 is a lightweight compared to most. [b:daba699933] Lots of guys with 20-100k stockpiles of .22LR. [/b:daba699933] Why in not sure. I would like a few bricks to shoot. Bought a new 10/.22 last Sept. Still have not shot it
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Not being a gun enthusiast and not trying to be critical, my only comment/question is: Does anyone do the math to see how long it will take them to use 6-figure amounts of .22 ammo? A quick calculator check shows that you'd have to shoot about 100 rounds EVERY week of each year for 20 years. Sounds like a job to me, not a sport. :wink: W:" Dear, did you go out this week and shoot your 100 rounds?" H:"No, I'm tired from working all week". W:" You get your butt out there and start shooting". :lol:

On the other hand, shooting .22 at 5 cents a round is a pretty cheap hobby considering that a few rounds of golf or a weekend on a boat could easily exceed the yearly cost of shooting them.
Just curious: How many rounds do you avid shooters actually use per week or per year?
 
I got lucky with .22LR.
Mrs. Wile E bought new tires 6 months ago and a buddy of mine wanted the old tires. (still has decent tread left) He said how much money do you want for these used tires? I didnt know what to say on a dollar basis, what are used tires worth? He said how about if I give you some .22 ammo........Ummm Okay. He gave me 350 rounds of it. (not a bad trade there) CCI, and other types of .22
 
I went to a local gun/ammo store here in northern Michigan. They have ammo but only allow two boxes per customer. I didn't ask what their time-frame is. Two boxes per day, per week, or what? I'd rather buy on-line. Can't do it anymore in NY but still can in Michigan.
 
.223 cheap? That word must mean something different to you then me. I buy .22s for 4-5 cents per round. The cheapest .223s I get are Russian steel-cased and cost 35-40 cents per round. Brass cased .223s are 60 cents per round. HUGE difference as I see it. If I have a bunch of people over - especially kids - who want to plink and target shoot - I'd much rather have them shooting .22s in lever-actions and bolt-actions with cheap ammo. Not .223s in my Mini-14s.
 
I have several bricks myself, now and then I add to my collection, call me a hoarder if anyone likes if it makes them somehow feel good or superior, I don't really give a good rats _____ lol, to each their own as far as what they buy and how much. I know I don't want Big Brother or The Fed or Do Gooder Elite Liberals or anyone else passing any law that says I cant buy or collect or hoard what ammunition I like, and remember if they can, YOU MAY BE NEXT.

Ol John T Christian Conservative Pro Second Amendment Patriot
 
LOL, me too, trusting that anything will be on the shelf, well ammunition, is a false trust with the current events. My usage was similar, I still have most of a 550 box bought in '97 for $9.86, as well as another for $15, for a few years I had oats in the bottom field, I used some to ward off the darned Canadian geese, but not much more than that, occasional varmint, of course the varmints had to get significantly thicker leading up to and around the time all this nonsense occurred with these mass shootings, laws getting restrictive and all the rest. We're still basically cut off, except some jerks gouging people locally, I was fortunate to trade for another few boxes, from a long time friend who consistently bought 500 round boxes over the years, something I should have done, but who in the heck saw this coming, every Kmart, Walmart, gun shop and what have you had piles of it, desensitizing people like us into thinking that would never change, they brainwashed us, those who did not buy a box per week or month, like we should have LOL ! Blindsided, but it teaches you a valuable lesson, hence the hoarding craze.
 
Some folks have jobs and aren't able to hang out at Walmart every morning waiting for that day's shipment to hit the shelf.
 
Do you want an executive order limiting how many rounds you can own?


My son has a full time job, computer security, he has the fastest and latest IT equipment and smart phone.

Go online, find a place that will text you when the ammo is in. You may have 10 seconds before they are gone. LOTS OF LUCK.
 
"Makes me feel superior"
"I don"t give a rat"s ___"
"To each their own"
"Do gooder elite abundant"

Christian conservative?
I have never read those type words in the Bible.
 
My feelings on HORDING is if and when SHTF you can only pack somuch . And just plinking away to burn ammo has long past me . As long as i can get the job done with the least amount fired i am good to go. For ground hogs at fifty yards and down 22 works fifty yards and up to 100 22 mag 100 and out then the bigger stuff . Last year the round cout was ten rounds of 22 long rifle spent on ten ground hogs five 223 on five ground hogs five rounds of 222 on four ground hogs two 22.250 on two . four rounds on SST 12 gauge on two deer still working on getting the new sight dialed in . Oh forgot the two rounds i threw at Wiley E Coyote , the luckiest yot alive and the most shot at one around here . Each year for the last four we see him and each and every year our group send him our best and not one of us have been able to tag him . Only see him during deer gun session .But anyway at current usage i am good to go for a lot of years before i have to worry . my only problem is trying to come up with enough bucks to get a new barrel on my 06 .
 
His money, his investment. He can do whatever he wants with it. People do these things sometimes. Heck, I've even heard that folks sometimes buy beat up worn out tractors, throw some cheap paint on them and sell them at profits. People are welcome to do business with them, or not. This is still kind of sort of America, for now, despite BHO's best efforts to persuade everyone that they were taken advantage of and are owed entitlements from anyone and everyone that has something that they don't have, but want. We have become one sick, weak nation filled with incapable whiners constantly crying about what they were somehow cheated out of. That's not what once made America the land of the free and the home of the brave, which it apparently no longer is from as near as I can tell.

Mark
 
Wayne I bet you could make a machine to build you own ammo just like you made that hay rebaler.
 
I guess I don"t shoot much. I found two bricks of 22LR in my storage box recently that still had the price tags on them. $5.00 Perhaps I should have bought more.
 
I've often thought of this, one problem, raw materials, however if that scenario was overcome, and say you had a group of like minded people, invest into the machinery, equipment and tools, I don't see how it would not be possible. At least the mindset with this is solution, and not the same old b$tching and moaning about the problem, the blame game if you will. If the U.S. could gear up for WWII with every machine shop and manufacturer enlisted for the cause, one would think that in today's modern world, this is entirely possible. It would be really interesting to see what the reaction would be if new manufacturing or private manufacturing backed by a group of investors becomes reality. If current manufacturers are hesitant to expand, yet the demand remains, or this unique period of ammunition hoarding continues, tell me there's not a group of like minded people with enough bank roll to make it happen somewhere in the U.S. I'll bet there's enough people on this forum to make it happen. Given some of the existing buildings, shops and the like where larger collections are kept, sell some off, then upgrade the electrical service, install machinery. It sure seems plausible.

Some links that may be of interest to this thread;
Northern Nevada Range selling 200 300 boxes of .22 per day

Ammunition Manufacturing Equipment
 
(quoted from post at 02:20:33 04/26/14) Just looking at one of the sites I frequently check out, and saw this. Looks like the guy has accumulated 8500 rounds of unneeded .22LR ammo and is now trying to sell it off for 10 cents a round, or probably 2 to 3 times what he actually bought it for. Ok, I know, that's just an assumption, but I me and my wife and daughter all love to shoot on the weekends when we get the opportunity, and I thought having 2000 rounds, bought over time, before the shortage began, was a bit extreme....but this guy seems to have 8500 excess rounds to get rid of..... Guess I was wrong.....
Poke here
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JML755 asked how someone could go through so many rounds. Well, sometimes it is pretty easy to burn up 2000 rounds while just playing around.


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NOT trying to say 223's are comparable to .22's on price! not at all.

I said they're "cheap enough" for the kind of shooting I do. And that's what I do.

I usually don't go through more than two or three 20 round clips. It's not cheap, but it won't break the bank either.

But my point was this whole hoarding of .22's has gotten me to think more about them. It's got me rethinking that maybe I should shoot the 22 more often - to save money.

When I was younger I really ilked the noise of larger guns - now I don't care so much about it either way.

So I had overlooked the "lowly" 22 for decades, and I should give it another chance... but now there's no ammo.

I feel I'm about to add to the problem now that I want some.
 
If you follow DavidG's posts, he is very sure of everything when it comes to speaking up for left nut actions and causes. It happens often enough that I have learned to disregard his posts entirely.
 
Believe me, I"ve done the math. That said, with a wife and daughter that both enjoy shooting the Walther P22 pistol, it doesn"t take but a few minutes to go through 100 rounds. Think about it like this the magazine holds 10 rounds, and we"ve got 5 magazines for it. It doesn"t take but a minute or two to empty a magazine once you get on target. So, with two people emptying 10 round magazines every couple of minutes (and they can be emptied even faster) it takes maybe 20 minutes to go through 100 rounds....

Throw in my Remington 597 rifle with a 30 round mag and I can go through 60 rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger. Give me 4 of them and I can pump out 120 rounds in a couple of minutes.

Even more fun is my AK with a 73round drum. Had a really ad day awhile back and needed some stress relief. I emptied the drum in about 3 minutes.....Now that was fun......until you realize that it took about 3 minutes to burn up about 20 bucks worth of ammo (actually more than that at the time I did it.....)
 
My post isn't about hoarding. Hoarding is buying up more than you can possibly use and then not even using it. What I'm talking about is someone who seems to have bought up a lot with the sole intent to resale it at a higher price than they bought it.....Personally if I had 8500 rounds I'd be out shooting some of it, NOT trying to sell it for twice to three times what it cost me to buy it.

It's the fact that folks are doing this that keep those of us that would actually like to be able to buy 'cheap' ammo for plinking, from being able to do so. Basically it took what, for me, was a cheap, fun, family affair and made it more expensive than it needs to be.
 
If ALL the stores were price gouging like this I could agree with what your saying. Thing is there are still places like Wal-Mart, etc that are selling it when it comes in for the same prices they were selling it a year or two ago. At the same time there are places that are gouging on the prices to the point that it's ridiculous....but people keep on buying from them, because they have no choice if they want ammo, because of folks like the guy in this ad that are buying all the cheap stuff up before those that actually have a use for it can get off work to go to the store.
 
I don"t shoot much .22 rim fire, but have enough from the 80"s to last. Now if I want to shoot a lot of economical .22, I reload and shoot .22 Hornet in rifle and handgun. A bit more expensive than .22LR, which is strangely hard to find but cheaper than .22 Mag.
 
"...nothing is ever going to happen."

Yup, and a few years back I would have sworn they'd never-

Outlaw burning of household trash.
Legalize gay marriage.
Legalize pot.
Outlaw transport of firewood within a state.
Outlaw saving your own seed.
Outlaw burning your fields.
Regulate paint thinner, acetone, steel wool and a lot of other products to the point you need to show ID to buy them.
Outlaw the sale of guns between private individuals.
Legalize the gov't forcing you to buy a particular product you may not want or need or else face fines and eventual imprisonment.
Adopt a system of teaching math that is so convoluted a parent cannot begin to help their kid with their homework.
Devalue the US dollar purposely.
Take on almost $18 trillion of debt with no intention of ever paying it back.

Yup, nothings going to happen. This system will chug merrily along perpetually with nooooooo problems.......... :roll:
 

I'm curious as to how well the ammo holds up for long time storage? Seems some people are storing massive amounts of ammo with no concern with the "how" to store properly. Won't it start corroding and breaking down?
 
You better call all the ammo manufacturers and tell them to put on another shift.

I'm sure they would if they weren't already running at capacity.

The people who own the Rock Island Armory brand (Armscorr) put up a new plant in Montana not too long ago and got into the ammunition business, and are looking to expand.
 
All it is, is a pain in the a$$ for an average guy like me that just wants to shoot a few nuisance gophers every summer!! When I was a kid I'd go to the hardware store and buy a brick and it'd last me all summer and that involved target shooting!

Now it seems I've gotta make friends with the guys at the local sporting goods store just in the hopes that when the next shipment comes in that I may somehow be fortunate enough to get on their list of "elite" people they call when the ammo comes in!!
 
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