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Re: Sustainable Farming

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T in NE

01-15-2014 19:41:48
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When anyone starts talking about "sustainable" anything, what they really mean, is "government controlled".

The urge to save humanity is often a convenient disguise for the urge to rule it.




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Bret4207

01-16-2014 04:28:25
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to T in NE, 01-15-2014 19:41:48  
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I disagree entirely based on what my idea of sustainable is. To me it's OP corn, crop rotation, returning manure to the land, spraying specific areas in a problem field, maybe on foot with a backpack sprayer, and not just fogging the whole field with poison, grazing, getting out and walking the land and look at what it can do as opposed to dumping supplements on it and forcing it to produce a marginal crop.

That's sustainable to me, working with what the land will do and improving it over time. And I don't get a dime of gov't money to do anything on my farm. It has nothing to do with saving humanity and everything to do with being a good steward of my land.

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John Fulton

01-18-2014 16:29:59
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to Bret4207, 01-16-2014 04:28:25  
Exactly, Bret,
"Sustainable Farming" is working smarter, not harder. Applying a lot of economics, science and common sense into your operation. Looking at what has worked in the past and being able to adapt those and other innovative ideas to insure your land can provide yours and the next generation with a decent living.



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Bret4207

01-19-2014 04:46:01
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to John Fulton, 01-18-2014 16:29:59  
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I think a lot of the hate and vitriol comes from confusing definitions and application of terms. "Organic" can mean a lot of different things for instance. "Sustainable", "natural", "free range", etc all have varied meanings. I think you and I pretty much look at "sustainable" from the same pov, others don't, thus the problem.



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oldtanker

01-16-2014 07:55:47
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to Bret4207, 01-16-2014 04:28:25  
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Well put.

Rick



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T in NE

01-16-2014 19:10:34
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to oldtanker, 01-16-2014 07:55:47  
The trouble is, the government is going to define "sustainable" for us, and whenever anything gets described as "sustainable", it means more government control.
The quote relates directly to that fact.



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Bret4207

01-17-2014 04:37:46
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to T in NE, 01-16-2014 19:10:34  
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You don't have to let the gov't define YOU. I'm trying to find a "sustainable" paradigm for my farm that lets me use the least amount of bought in product and labor and reap the highest gains from what I've got to work with. That is MY definition of sustainable and I don't care what the gov't calls it.



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oldtanker

01-15-2014 21:38:00
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 Re: Sustainable Farming in reply to T in NE, 01-15-2014 19:41:48  
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LOL nope no government control, it's not sustainable! And that's really the truth about most people into sustainable farming.
Thing of it is, is this. If your livestock needs meds, no problem do it but don't feed them antibiotics just because. Sure feed your cows grain but have them on pasture or long stem hay too. Put something back into the soil besides just chemicals. Nothing wrong with soil testing and using chemical fertilizers. But put something back in that will hold the nutrients there. Herbicides and pesticides only as needed. Pretty much GMO is out but hybrids are acceptable.
Now there are some folks out there who have sustainable one step away from organic and that step would be the certs needed for organic but that is a fringe group.
So the local guys here with one exception I know of in the county could sell their beef to what is generally accepted the sustainable market. We only have one feed lot operation that I know of. I have a nephew who works for a local BTO grain beef farmer. The guy ships over 1000 finished cattle a year that can all be classed as sustainable. And he's not the only one. Lot of guys here ship 50-500 head a year like that.

You guys should read the rules. What counts as grass fed? What counts as angus? For an animal to be sold as grass fed it has to have only grass/hay available for a 30 day period. For an animal to be sold as Angus you only have to prove 10%. Really go read the rules. It's kinda interesting.

Rick

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