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01-14-2014 17:39:38

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To be TRULY "sustainable", you would need to capture the "guano" from the people who bought your product and the offal from the animals that were slaughtered and return it to your ground. Unfortunately, this byproduct does not end up back home. Much of it ends up out into the oceans.

People who claim organics can't feed the world better not be eating meat. Meat is a very inefficient way to get your nutrients,and the ground used to produce the feed for the meat could be better used to feed the world by producing high density human food.

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01-15-2014 14:34:57

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 Re: Organic! in reply to rockyridgefarm, 01-14-2014 17:39:38  
Just curious about that better use claim. Unless humans are going to start eating grass there isn't much else large sections of the country can produce. It's not like you plant soybeans or watermelons in the flint hills. If the cattle don't eat the grass there aren't any other takers.

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01-15-2014 19:01:38

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 Re: Organic! in reply to DaninKansas, 01-15-2014 14:34:57  
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How many cattle are finished out in the flint hills?
How many pounds of grain does it take to finish out a beefer?

How many loaves of bread would that grain produce?

How many gallons of water for the beefer?

Where does water come from in Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a meat eater. I'm sure not giving up my steak any time soon. BUT, I'm not the one that gets my fiddle out and start crying about feeding the world every time organics comes up. The world could far more benefit from an extreme reduction in meat production (especially beef and pork), than it could from me and my fellow organic farmers giving up and spraying out crops.

If you want, I could help you out on the quiz I gave you...

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01-15-2014 19:17:48

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 Re: Organic! in reply to rockyridgefarm, 01-15-2014 19:01:38  
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Point is there is a lot of land in the US that is only good for grazing. So raising meat isn't necessary a bad thing. I've seen places in KS with decent grass and bedrock 6" down. Good for beef, not so good for crops. Lot of hill side in KY that the only farm value is pasture too. Now here, in MN where I'm at, land is or can be about 50/50 tillable non tillable. Here the problem is you have to raise hay to feed through the winter. So here it's an economic question of where you are going to make your best money. Feeding cows 4 or 5 months a year or raising a cash crop. Well unless you are going to dump a lot of money into chemicals about the best you are going to do is with hay. So here it's more of each to their own.

If you look at just how many acres are no longer being farmed feeding ourselves really isn't an issue. If needed there is a lot of land that can back into production. Plus world wide there are millions of farmable land that not farmed or under farmed.


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