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Re: Organic!

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cjunrau

01-14-2014 17:12:17
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Some of you guys are full of the output of a bull.

My land has been farmed 100% organic for 30+ years. My brothers as well. There is no extra of anything hauled from neighbors to replace nutrients. This year my brother planted 90% of his farm in beans. Average yield on 400 acres was 1560 LBS per acre. My flax went 15bushel per acre cleaned. Average oats on 10 years is 42 bushels /acre at $5-$7 a bushel beans right now $0.75 a lbs. flax $32 a bushel. we are certified have cows, sheep, hay, and summer fallow and plow down alfalfa or buckwheat every 5-7 years. My uncle is not certified and 25 years ago he quit buying spray and fertilizer as he was almost bankrupt. He sold all his crop conventionally and got out of the hole and retired 2 years ago. These are sustainable and organic farms. You can have sustainable non organic farms which means the farm is using practises that will keep it going weather the price of grain, cattle or whatever goes up or down. Farms that think there is no end to how much chemical they can dump on will some day collapse because the yield and price of crop will be less than the input costs.

Farming organic is really healthy on the brain as you don't get very far in debt , if at all, and don't have the stress.

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dboll

01-14-2014 17:39:20
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 Re: Organic! in reply to cjunrau, 01-14-2014 17:12:17  
we can usually raise 100bu oats fetilized with 25-25-20 and 40-50 bushel beans so at current market prices tell me how you are ahead with organic? I'm not against the idea but I but if comercial fert ect. makes me money then I have to go with works. you are averaging 40 some bu ats and 28 bu beans, do the math.



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cjunrau

01-15-2014 06:26:48
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 Re: Organic! in reply to dboll, 01-14-2014 17:39:20  
Sure I will do the math

100 bushel oats at $3 average last 10 years=$300-fertilizer and spray and fuel
40 bushels at $5(low end)=$200-fuel only


In your area you might make more but I compare to neighbors. Around here there are very, very few years that any conventional farmer can get over 2500 lbs an acre beans. I'm talking pinto beans.
Average bean crop here is 2200 at $0.30lbs=$660+fuel fertilizer spray
organic is 800 lbs average at $0.75-0.80=$600=fuel

Where my uncle lived in Saskatchewan where till 5 years ago rain was a commodity you wished you had,you could pour all the fertilizer on you wanted and could not get a crop. Different areas work differently. if we end up with 3-4 years of drought all that fertilizer will be dept you will never get out of unless on poor years you back off on the cost of input. We all know that God makes the rain and with out it we get ZIP,no matter how good we think we are. We see to often where the rich big farmers go bankrupt and keep farming because the gov. bails them out and they screw every person including me out of money.Sucks when the small guy sells the big guy seed and he turns around and don't pay his bills because the price of grain drops so far that if he paid ALL his bills he wouldn't make his half million or more for that year. Got real bad here when BSE. hit the cattle farmers. They went to every small guy they could and bought feed mineral and whatever from as many people and places they could charge and walked away without paying any of it. We had a string of small guys go under because the big guys wouldn't pay there bills. Us little 20-50 cow guys have hay as a side market and when you get stiffed on 200 bales of hay that hurts. The biggest feed lot in this area we hauled hay for stiffed one trucker over $50,000 That trucker still had to and did pay his fuel bill . but had to sell his cows to live on for another year. Needless to say the feedlot never blinked an eye.

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