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Re: One more thought, then I'm done

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oldtanker

11-28-2013 07:07:53
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I've read/heard about oil being subsidized by the companies receiving tax breaks for things like for exploration. Well, if a farmer plants an experimental crop they write off the cost of tillage, planting, fertilizing, depreciation of equipment, weed control and harvesting (farmer may also qualify for grants for an experimental crop). If JD spends money developing a new tractor they write that off. If a company pays for market research they too write that off.

The government isn't forcing people to use gas or oil. They do force people to use ethanol. So by mandate ethanol has a government guarantied market.
"Our children lives subsidizing oil"? Today, with current population levels we need certain things to survive. Food and oil are the 2 biggest items. Now the American farmer has proven that they can indeed feed the US. We may not get everything we like to eat from the US but farmers can produce more food than Americans can consume. We can live and live well if we stopped importing any food. We cannot live without importing oil at this time. Over 40% of our daily needs has to be imported. Not only used to move our collectively lazy back sides around but it plants our food, takes others to and from work, moves goods to the consumer, heats our homes, cooks out food and plants/harvests our food. So oil is vital to our national security. Cheap oil is just as important. So our young men and women, in harms way, in the middle east, are not subsidizing oil. They are protecting us and our way of life. You cannot say that about ethanol.

Other than making corn prices artificially high and putting more money in some farmers pockets show me what good ethanol does. Don't get me wrong. Farmers should make money. But they should do it the same way most other businesses do. By meeting supply and demand. Not by chasing last years prices. If you can't make a living or a reasonable profit without government intervention maybe you shouldn't be farming.

Corn growers who advocate ethanol because it drives up the price of corn are no better than the companies operating out of sheer greed IMO. You can't "feed the world" if the people can't afford to eat.

Rick

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12-02-2013 07:04:05
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 Re: One more thought, then I'm done in reply to oldtanker, 11-28-2013 07:07:53  
and people who constantly whine about things that they don't know much about are no better than, well, people who whine about things they don't know much about.



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oldtanker

12-02-2013 07:29:53
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 Re: One more thought, then I'm done in reply to 2 Old 2 Care, 12-02-2013 07:04:05  
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What? Trying to get people to see your side by ridiculing them seldom works. Lot of anti ethanol folks don't know any more about ethanol than what they have been told. Most corn growers only know that it puts money in their pocket. I've yet to meet a farmer who is also a petro chemical engineer or a CEO of a large publicly traded company.
So, from the anti's I expect to hear that ethanol sucks. From the corn grower I expect to hear that ethanol is the greatest thing sense sliced bread or toilet paper. From a CEO running an ethanol plant I expect him to pretty much say the same thing as the corn grower. Now just why should I believe the latter 2 when their prime motivation is greed?

Rick

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12-04-2013 09:32:36
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 Re: One more thought, then I'm done in reply to oldtanker, 12-02-2013 07:29:53  
Once again, you overestimate your own intelligence. (Hint; Anything above moron and you're there Dude! ) I have no illusions of winning you over. It's apparent from the get go that you're too close minded and unable to think for yourself to see anything but your point of view. I'm not going to waste MY valuable time attempting to educate you. It's just pure entertainment stirring up windbags like yourself.

So, you see the ability to run a profitable business in todays economy as "greed". That sounds like rationale for your failures at your occupation. Never begrudge others for your own shortcomings.

And yes, I HAVE met a number of farmers who ARE CEO's of large publicly traded companies. Funny thing....You don't get to that pay grade by being an idiot that backs losing propositions on a regular basis.

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 Re: One more thought, then I'm done in reply to 2 Old 2 Care, 12-04-2013 09:32:36  
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Not only are you in denial, but also and abusive, name calling adolescent. Sure are such a big man hiding behind a computer screen calling people names.

Rick



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12-05-2013 04:11:17
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 Re: One more thought, then I'm done in reply to oldtanker, 12-04-2013 13:46:09  
HAAAAAAAAA! So did you get your itty bitty feelings hurt little girl?

That's funny stuff,,, Calling me names and accusing me of being a "name calling adolescent".

Not in denial Sparky. The difference between me and you is, I can see reality and you haven't the foggiest notion what reality is. Go play with your Barbie doll and leave mommy's computer alone until you grow up a bit.



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