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Re: 260 loader controller

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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 03:18:15
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What tractor is the 260 mounted on and what are you trying to power from the power beyond block?




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jason west

10-15-2013 05:06:42
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 03:18:15  
powering a 260 loader with a 4040 jd. Installed a block on number 2 remote



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 06:00:46
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 05:06:42  
What are you planning to power from the PBY on loader valve? No PBY is required on closed-center system just tee into supply line and return oil to sump.



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buickanddeere

10-15-2013 10:23:22
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 06:00:46  
Come on Jim you know better. While the Waterloo does have a better transmission pump than the Dubuques of that era. The return oil from the loader should still flow into the rockshaft/Scv line and into the filter side of the trans pump circuit. Or into a ported filter cover.



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 10:35:41
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to buickanddeere, 10-15-2013 10:23:22  
Come on Glen

I know 30/40/50 & 55 series JD rowcrop tractors have a trans pump that runs non-stop(as long as engine is running) unlike the 10 & 20 series RC tractors(except for PS trans) and returning oil from a FEL valve to ported filter cover IS NOT REQUIRED for excellent FEL operation. Operating a FEL on a rowcrop tractor doesn't require the same flow of hyd oil as operating a backhoe. This is one reason Waterloo tractor hyd's ('73-'93) are far superior to the Dubuque/Mannheim tractors hyd systems of same era.
This post was edited by Tx Jim at 10:57:59 10/15/13.

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jason west

10-15-2013 06:16:24
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 06:00:46  
my last loader was installed that way, except I didn't return it to sump, rather a ported filter return . Due to the hypothetical problems of a sump return and pump starvations. I went through a pump rebuild and speculation was the loader plumbing. The power beyond is the same principal but cleaner. Whats the issues with this install.



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 06:21:45
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 06:16:24  
What are you trying to operate off of the PBY on the loader valve??????????? I seriously doubt that a FEL valve plumbed to a 40 series tractor to dump oil to sump caused any hyd failures IF hyd FEL valve was a closed center valve.



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M w J

10-15-2013 07:11:31
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 06:21:45  
It may have if it still had the old style paper filter in it I have seen then all chewed up from oil hitting them then any trash that was in the filter goes threw the system.



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jason west

10-15-2013 07:16:57
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to M w J, 10-15-2013 07:11:31  
The PBY block seemed like the only hassle free install, but if there is an issue with it being done this way, id like to know? Thanks



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 09:03:20
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 07:16:57  

jason west said: (quoted from post at 10:16:57 10/15/13) The PBY block seemed like the only hassle free install, but if there is an issue with it being done this way, id like to know? Thanks


Jason
I was trying to understand your first question about PBY on loader valve. I now understand what you're trying to accomplish and WyoDave is correct. This is the PBY you were referring(R54312 MANIFOLD parts key #4) but they're also PBY fittings that screw into FEL valve and that's what I was thinking you were referring to.


This post was edited by Tx Jim at 09:13:26 10/15/13.

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jason west

10-15-2013 06:59:08
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 06:21:45  
PBY block is installed on the 4040 remote. high pressure line going to loader valve. Return from loader valve to return on PBY block. This is what was suggested by JD and my mechanic. Its simple. The PBY doesn't tie up the remotes for hay processor and PBY powers loader. Whats the problem with the configuration. Id really like to know if its wrong now.



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M w J

10-15-2013 07:22:22
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 06:59:08  
There is nothing wrong with using the power beyond block that is what they were made for. We have 4 of them plumed that way I will check 2 of mine in a little while to see which hose is return Is the valve a JohnDeere joystick?



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jason west

10-15-2013 07:25:26
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to M w J, 10-15-2013 07:22:22  
yes it is JD. Thanks



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jason west

10-15-2013 07:42:11
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 07:25:26  

heres a photo on the image URL



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Bob

10-15-2013 09:38:34
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 07:42:11  

Parts catalog shows DEERE used HUSCO, Eaton, and Cessna valves on those loaders.

Yours is CLEARLY the HUSCO. I am almost certain if you look CLOSELY at the end block of the valve where the ports in question are, one will be labelled "T" for Tank and the other "P" for pressure, probably on the "top" side, facing the green box. Letters will probably be kind of hard to see as they are cast into the sand-cast block.

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jason west

10-15-2013 10:02:26
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Bob, 10-15-2013 09:38:34  
okay I just tore the valve out and the inside one is marked in and outside one is out. So the small hose is on the out, soooo... should I swith the larger hose over to the out for return and smaller hose over to in for supply. And just for redundancy, the supply will connect to the top port of PBY block that channels to the small hole inside the top of PBY housing and return will dump into side of PBY that dumps into the main part of Block? Last question I Promise! You guys have been so helpful. Jason West

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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 10:39:42
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 10:02:26  
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Actually as long as the return hose size is 3/8 in inside diameter it will be FINE. On most JD FEL valves I've seen/worked on the pressure/return hoses were the same size.



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WyoDave

10-15-2013 07:58:06
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 07:42:11  
We have the same setup on our 4240. Just walked out and looked. On ours, the outside port of the valve is connected to the top of the power beyond block, and the inside port is connected to the side of the power beyond block. This comes with no guarantee to be right, but works good on our outfit.

David



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jason west

10-15-2013 08:14:20
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to WyoDave, 10-15-2013 07:58:06  
So "outside" the one closest to you as your looking at the unit is supply and inside or the one closest to the tractor frame is return.
That sound right? Thanks



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WyoDave

10-15-2013 08:23:33
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 08:14:20  
That is how ours is hooked up. I'm just assuming the valves are the same. The cover is on ours, but everything looks identical.

David



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jason west

10-15-2013 09:13:02
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to WyoDave, 10-15-2013 08:23:33  
The only concern I have now is that the out side line on mine is the larger hose and inside line is the smaller hose. If outside is supply and inside is return, then according to bob the hoses are switched and the larger line needs to be switched to return side. I wish there was a definitive way of determining correct in and out. thanks jason



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 09:19:12
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 09:13:02  
According to this utility tractor schematic the top port on the hyd valve(should identical for RC tractor) should be the "IN" port and IIRC that's 100% correct.



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jason west

10-15-2013 09:28:34
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 09:19:12  
Yeah i looked at that chart before, but mine has two parallel ports on the top of unit, I posted a picture earlier. That chart doesnt seem to resemble mine. I could take a better picture showing both ports together> Thanks Jason West



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 09:31:48
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 09:28:34  
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Please post a closeup photo.



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jason west

10-15-2013 09:42:47
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to Tx Jim, 10-15-2013 09:31:48  

The yellow mark is one side of the in or out and the one adjacent to it. The picture turned for some reason. Thanks



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Tx Jim

10-15-2013 09:51:49
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 Re: 260 loader controller in reply to jason west, 10-15-2013 09:42:47  
Ditto what Bob stated.



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