farmall or allis

Anonymous-0 · Oct 7, 2013

I"ve got an allis b i bought four years ago with a woods belly mower. I use it to mow the yard and do some work in my food plots before hunting season. I really love this machine but if i tear it down to do a full restoration i gotta buy something else to mow with. That"s not necesarily a bad thing, it give me an excuse to get a super a. But what i really want is a bigger machine like a wd 45 or a farmall h or m. Not to mow with but for parades and maybe pulling in a stock class. which of these are the easiest to locate parts and restore. If i got a m or wd 45 how hard is it to find a diesel version?

Mark W. · Oct 7, 2013

Tough to find an MD.

old · Oct 7, 2013

In my area the Farmall H is a dime a dozen and I have 4 I would sell. Also have an M I would sell. The WD45 is also pretty common and have one of them I would sell. LOL. As for the diesel well they are harder to find and the Farmall diesel is gas start then switch to diesel and can be harder to work on

Justin SE IOWA · Oct 7, 2013

There is a Farmall M diesel in WhatCheer Iowa for sale. If you are interested I will get the number for you.

notjustair · Oct 7, 2013

Don't set your heart on an M diesel. If it is in tip top shape they will want a good bit. If it needs work you will put LOTS of money into it and be on a hunt.

Hs and Ms are fairly routine here. You will get a good running one with fair tires here for $1000. I bought one a couple years ago for 8 bills (an M) and haven't done a thing but change the oil. It came with power steering and live hydraulics.

GarryinNC · Oct 7, 2013

Tater, are you in North Carolina? My dad has a Super MD that he would sell.located near Winston-Salem.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 7, 2013

I figured the diesels would be a tough find and a costly restoration. It seems everyone here in my area of NC has either a farmall or a deere. That's one reason i like my allis so well, it's just a lil bit different. But i know part availability would be better if it was red or green. Is there anything i should look for to stray away from on an h or m?

Anonymous-0 · Oct 7, 2013

yeah, actually live live just outside of Winston.
I'm in Pfafftown.

Janicholson · Oct 7, 2013

I think the difficulty of finding a Diesel M (No H Diesels were made) in good condition is that most of them are in use, or scrapped/toast. There were not near as many made as were gas or distillate. They are fine strong and economical runners. They are complex and difficult to get parts for.
Though I love them and had one, and would have another, they are special, and take a special attitude to appreciate.
WD45 diesels were also rare (83,536 gasoline; 6,509 diesel) from tractordata.com
Gasoline M will be heavier than a WD45. They have nearly the same HP.
The WD45 will have a hand clutch based ""live"" PTO standard. The M would need to be a SMTA to have the live PTO and it would be a full independent style. A SuperM stage II would have live hydraulics, no live PTO. The tractor would also have a 5 speed with 2 ranges (torque amplifier on the fly gear change High Low)
The WD45 would need to be October 1954 to be a diesel. They are both good tractors. I like the M and SMTA for seating position and heft on a load. I like the Allis for ease of turning and the "Live" hand clutch based PTO on earlier models. A second option is to go with a 300 or 350 Farmall or the International (Utility models)
of those numbers. Those have the size of an H but the TA and live hydraulics and live IPTO of a fully modern tractor. They also might be less expensive, or equal in cost to the lower technology earlier tractors. Jim

VicS · Oct 7, 2013

A WD45 diesel while hard to find, but not impossible, is a better puller. The diesel has enough torque to handle 38 inch tires. A D17 diesel would be even better, the diesel is 35 cu in bigger, and it has a high low shift to boot.

ShadetreeRet · Oct 7, 2013

Well, tater, looks like you found one almost in your back yard!
But if you want to look further,in the October issue of Agricultural Review, there are four Farmall M's and one AC WD45 for sale.

60 acre hillside · Oct 8, 2013

Diesels have had many recent improvements and are much better than they were in the day 45's and MD's were made. Gasoline tractors are much the same they were 70 years ago. I would not buy an older diesel of any make. Those made in the last 40 years are much better

FBH44 · Oct 8, 2013

My opinin, I think old nailed it; the H's are a dime a dozen, they are a handsome tractor, CaseIH has all the parts I need for mine, they made 390,000+ of them, best part is the shiny red tractor in the Christmas parade is a kid-favorite.

blue924.9 · Oct 8, 2013

(quoted from post at 19:07:05 10/07/13) I figured the diesels would be a tough find and a costly restoration. It seems everyone here in my area of NC has either a farmall or a deere. That's one reason i like my allis so well, it's just a lil bit different. But i know part availability would be better if it was red or green. Is there anything i should look for to stray away from on an h or m?

plenty of parts for allis chalmers, steiner, tonys tractors, oktractors, among others. also most wd45 diesels got a gas engine swap after the rods let go on the diesel. also if you get a wd 45 with worn transmission if will jump out of gear, one reason i prefer my regular wd, just put in a wd 45 crank (it fits no mods needed) and you have a wd 45 powered wd with a much better trans design

dej(Jed) · Oct 8, 2013

(quoted from post at 18:23:51 10/07/13) I"ve got an allis b i bought four years ago with a woods belly mower. I use it to mow the yard and do some work in my food plots before hunting season. I really love this machine but if i tear it down to do a full restoration i gotta buy something else to mow with. That"s not necesarily a bad thing, it give me an excuse to get a super a. But what i really want is a bigger machine like a wd 45 or a farmall h or m. Not to mow with but for parades and maybe pulling in a stock class. which of these are the easiest to locate parts and restore. If i got a m or wd 45 how hard is it to find a diesel version?

Why would you want a diesel version of either one.. The WD 45 diesel would cost an arm and leg to keep running and so would an MD.

Leroy · Oct 8, 2013

You put a 38" tire on that AC and you could not pull in a stock class as he said he would like. And a Farmal H or Late John Deere B are just about equal in pulls, M or late A (single stick gas) are just about equal, AC's never do any good, WC competes best with the H OR B but never wins. Cockshutt's are also good but not near as plentifull and harder to find parts or somebody that knows them to work on them. I have been working a stock pull for several years and on the back side of the track you see a lot that you do not see in the spectater area. Only one AC has been in pull consistantly for last 10 years, that being a 39 WC, rest if they are in for 2 years that is about it.

blue924.9 · Oct 8, 2013

yes a wc, the lowest factory powered tractor in its weight class, try a wd or wd45 they have more power stock and can pull the same weight classes, ACs are plenty competitive

blue924.9 · Oct 8, 2013

yes a wc, the lowest factory powered tractor in its weight class, try a wd or wd45 they have more power stock and can pull the same weight classes, ACs are plenty competitive

ss55 · Oct 8, 2013

Will you continue to use the Allis B for mowing after you finish restoring it? If yes, buy a different mower (used, cheap riding mower) and re-sell it in a few months when the B is ready. If no, maybe find another tractor that can use your existing belly mower without too many modifications.

Buying a bigger tractor is a your personal preference. I don't know if an in-direct injection diesel really has much if any advantage over a gas engine for very low-hours of use and stock tractor pulling. You may get better preformance for less cost by staying with an older gas tractor for (near) stock pulling and then move up to a newer direct injection diesel if you move to a higher class in pulling. Turbochagers work better on direct injection diesels.

Leroy · Oct 8, 2013

I know what they do not do and that is come back the next year or in two years.. Others are there every year for the past 10-15 years.

Leroy · Oct 8, 2013

And the WC does not run out of power but traction and the same would be for the WD or the WD 45. 2 sets of rear wheel weights and that is it.

VicS · Oct 8, 2013

I live in Southern Il. And pull in Ind ky and Mo. 99.9 % of Allis's pull with 38 in tires in the stock classes. So you would like to let everybody else use 38 in tires and not let Ford and Allis use them. And yes 38 in tires were a orderable option on a WC WD.

Leroy · Oct 8, 2013

You would need the orignal pats book that shows them to do that. Tires are limited to ONE sise over factory on all tractors, no widened out rims.

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