massey harris 44 special { narrow front end}

Tony Bular · Oct 6, 2013

Hello, I'm looking for a Massey Harris 44 special with a narrow front end. Gas or diesel? witch ever has the same power as a supper M.
Power steering, 3pt hitch, live pto, and live hydraulics. Are these avable on a 44? And this tractor needs to be a fixer-upper. Need a new project and that keeps the cost down. Thanks for any information you can give me. Tony

Traditional Farmer · Oct 6, 2013

Everyone is looking for that tractor apparently as I have people all the time that want an old
'fixerupper' with 3pt,LPTO,hydraulics etc etc at a cheap price.I'm looking too BTW.

mkirsch · Oct 6, 2013

Wow, what a coincidence. So am I!

Tony Bular · Oct 6, 2013

is the 44 about the power as the supper M?

old popper · Oct 6, 2013

Look in the photo ads. MH 44 special diesel located in wisconsin, been sitting 15 yrs. (sounds like just what the Dr ordered)

2badlybent · Oct 6, 2013

Eveybody is looking for a bargin. A guy stopped at my place yesterday looking for a tractor with a loader. I asked him how much he was going to spend and he said up to $5000. Oh, Yes he would like it to be a diesel with four wheel drive and between 45 and 50 HP.

Kenneth R Ohnstad · Oct 6, 2013

Does supper rhyme with upper?
Or does Super rhyme with yooper?
good luck
Kenny

rrlund · Oct 6, 2013

Hey,I've got a 1020 Deere that fits that description. Cheap to a good home.

El Toro · Oct 6, 2013

Sounds like an M to eat.

JD Seller · Oct 6, 2013

Its a gas most want a diesel today. rrlund your JD 1020 with a loader will not sell for much more than a Ford 800-900. I know it has a lot more features but the market does not reflect that.

David G · Oct 6, 2013

You are picking a tractor that is hard to find parts for. A "super" M is a lot easier to find and get parts for.

Any particular reason?

JD Seller · Oct 6, 2013

Well I have never seen a MH 44 with a factory three point hitch. Maybe they made one but I have not seen one. I think they had Independent PTO. The hydraulics where live. Power steering was an option I believe.

As far as value. A good running one will not sell that well. Rarely breaking $1500-2000.

You have to watch as the parts can be high priced. A friend has several MH he has restored. He complained that the engine gasket set was real high priced on one of them. I can't remember if it was a MH 44 or not but the set was like $300.

It is real easy to get more than any old tractor is worth in repairing a fixer-upper. The MH tractors just are not real collectible as far as high value goes. So the price is not sky high like some are. It takes a rare model to be high priced.

I will not tease you over what your post sounds like. EVERYONE wants a CHEAP tractor with the features you are asking for. Therefore there are not many CHEAP ones with what you are wanting.

SDE · Oct 6, 2013

I have one. I think the frame and the front tires are the only thing that will not need to be replaced. Has a loader with it and the 3pt lift is there, but it does not have the arms. If I gave it to you, it would cost to much to fix.

rrlund · Oct 6, 2013

That's fine. It's going to be a one of a kind painted Oliver green when I get around to it anyway. We'll see how much value the Deere lovers think it has when they start chewing my azz for "ruining it".

rankrank1 · Oct 6, 2013

Sounds like you pretty much know what you want.

I am no Massey Harris expert but definitely go with the "44 special" over the run of the mill "44". The "44" has the PTO shaft way up high which is extemely hard on equipment PTO shafts. The "44 special" I think (or the 444 for sure) had the PTO shaft moved to a more proper spot on the tractor to comply with SAE connection standards. If you plan to run PTO power then check where that PTO location is on the tractor.

Other than that the only other hurdle might be finding a "44 special" with 3 point hitch already on it. But there are aftermarket companies that make those hitch kits or you can make one yourself if you have a welder and fab skills.

Otherwise, I have heard reports that those MH 44 would outplow the Farmall M, or the MH "44 special" (or 444) would out plow the Farmall Super M and use less fuel doing it too. That said, I do not have first hand experience on either front.

Parts for the MH will not be as common as the Farmall, but parts are out there. Nothing wrong with having something
different than the rest of the masses either.

David G · Oct 6, 2013

I have a factory 3 point for my 44.

David G · Oct 6, 2013

44 Special has PTO up high, just like a 44.

I have a late 44 that is optioned like a 44 special, except the hydraulics are not the same. A lot of the standard items on a special were available as options on the 44 late 44s. I have cast wheels, disk brakes and live PTO.

rankrank1 · Oct 6, 2013

(quoted from post at 16:05:37 10/06/13) 44 Special has PTO up high, just like a 44....

Thanks for clarifying my memory David. If I was Original Poster then I would be looking for a 444 then due to the better PTO placement as a tractor that will be used. Additionally, if I am not mistaken the 444 has 10 forward gears instead of only 5 forward gears like the 44 or 44 special so that would be yet another advantage.

samn40 · Oct 6, 2013

Sorry I can't help, but is this a factory linkage or aftermarket?
Just wondering!....Sam

David G · Oct 6, 2013

I love my 44, but have WAY more money in it than it is worth. It was my dads and I grew up driving that tractor.

They have a weak bottom end on the engine. It is a high HP engine with 3 main bearings. They also only ran about 15 PSI oil pressure. The rest of the tractor is overbuilt and solid.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 6, 2013

that's factory .. best as I recall ...15 yrs ago , I could a bought a diesel 44 for 700 ..nasty project tractor ,, rotten wheels and tires , mangled 3pt , looked like either a barn fell on it or she was turned over ,,. never could get it to crank start ,,.owner feared it mite rev wide open , and not throttle bak ,Adamantly , wanted me to pay him before I gave it a shot of ether ...told him when it dried up I would come by and pull start ,.. never did ..someone bought it and got it goin

ss55 · Oct 6, 2013

A fixer-upper project and low cost project don't always go together unless all that is needed is a tune-up and a wash.

Have you considered a slightly newer model that has the features you want and more widely available parts supply: IH 400, 450, 560; Oliver 88, super 88, 880; 1600; Case 400, 730, 830, JD 70, 3010; some M-Moline's, Massey-F 85, 88, super 90?

Mike in Mn. · Oct 6, 2013

If your looking for the most power go with a gas. The Special has a H277 while the diesel has the same HD260 as the 44 used. The HD277 wasn't used until the MH 444. The 44SP gas was either side of 50 HP, I think it would pull with a Super M. The live hydraulics, 3 pt, and live PTO were all factory options. I don't think power steering was available from the factory, I know it was on the 444 but have never seen any thing on a Special but an aftermarket unit. Not the cheapest tractor to rebuild but plenty of parts available.

rankrank1 · Oct 6, 2013

(quoted from post at 16:15:17 10/06/13) Sorry I can't help, but is this a factory linkage or aftermarket?
Just wondering!....Sam

Excellent photo Sam. Do not think that set-up would work worth a hoot on 3 point bush hog type mower. (PTO shaft higher than the 3rd link). Even drawbar type equipment would suffer severe PTO angles as I stated earlier.

to the OP a 444 is what you want if dead set on a MH.

Dave_Id · Oct 6, 2013

There is one on Photo Ads for $900. Diesel

massey333 · Oct 6, 2013

What area of the country are you in,that might help.444 is more user friendly than a 44.

Bob N.Y. · Oct 6, 2013

Massey Harris never had Independent PTO. Some had a hand operated differential clutch that gave them live PTO of sorts.

Leroy · Oct 6, 2013

Several years ago the neighbor brothers had some 44 or 44S, have no idea on that, but they pulled 4-14" with them and Never heard of a M or SM pulling a 4 bottom. Neighbor across the road had a 400 D and pulled the same model plow those MH did and it was a load, neighbor a mile and half down the road had a 450 and pulled 3 bottoms.

Tony Bular · Oct 6, 2013

southeastern Michigan, thanks

Tony Bular · Oct 6, 2013

thanks

Tony Bular · Oct 6, 2013

Thanks that's a big help

Traditional Farmer · Oct 7, 2013

How much are you asking? There is a good market for a gasser like yours with a loader in my area as small cattle farmers will use it in the Winter for handling hay bales and things like that because the gasser will fire right up in cold weather.I use my gas AC 180 with a loader all the time in the Winter even though it burns at least 2X the fuel as the diesels because it starts in any kind of weather easily.

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