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Re: Goodbye Farm Bill

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Bret4207

10-03-2013 09:03:48
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Right now dairies are closing their doors Ken. There are very few places with truly stable or growing dairies. The sad truth is that we can't continue to artificially support industries that operate at a loss. So if we pulled the supports for dairy, for angora goats, for crops that don't grow where people are trying to grow them, for CORN, for other areas of the agricultural industry and let market forces determine winners and losers...we'd have a stronger agricultural base in the end. Yeah, it'd hurt. A lot. But the US has had a cheap food policy since the teens IIRC. It hasn't worked out so great. We're having to rob Peter to pay Paul. The corn I paid $8.00/cwt a few years back is $19.00.cwt now and you won't hear a single corn grower complain about it and the subsidies and price supports the gov't has in place that cause that price. You won't hear ADM or Monsanto or any of the hybrid RR seed companies complaining about the $250.00 plus bags of seed corn they sell either or about the laws they're trying to put in place to keep us from growing our own seed that might contain one of their gene strains, even if it's unintentional. It's all mixed up with gov't and corporate entities washing each others backs and buying votes with taxpayer dollars.
It's all a jumbled mess and very little of it is honest or truthful anymore. It can't go on like this forever, so we take some hurt now or take a lot later. I don't see another way out.

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Indiana Ken

10-03-2013 15:08:42
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 Re: Goodbye Farm Bill in reply to Bret4207, 10-03-2013 09:03:48  
Bret,

Your reply is confusing to me. If we delete the farm bill and go back to permanment law the price of milk goes up...it is still supported. I would like to see less government involvement in pricing, I think we agree on that but what are you recommending?

Respectfully,

Ken



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Bret4207

10-03-2013 16:31:12
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 Re: Goodbye Farm Bill in reply to Indiana Ken, 10-03-2013 15:08:42  
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Bret4207

10-03-2013 16:30:53
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 Re: Goodbye Farm Bill in reply to Indiana Ken, 10-03-2013 15:08:42  
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I'm saying the ultimate answer is to get gov't out of the price support and limit business altogether. This isn't 1890 and we aren't having the Gold Standard vs Silver Standard debates, William Jennings Bryant and the Populists are no where to be seen. This is about sustainable paradigms, artificial supports and limits and corporate/gov't collusion. I'm just a dumb hick sheep farmer, but even I can see that we can't continue to rob Peter to pay Paul and then limit what Peter can earn and who he can buy his raw materials from. Well, actually we CAN keep doing that. But it ends up with either 10 or 15% of the population supporting the rest or with a Marxist gov't and economy where no one actually owns anything and the gov't decides who grows what, where, how, when, how much, etc. Neither of those options appeals much to me. Truthfully, I'm very surprised the whole mess hasn't fallen apart already.

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RGMartin

10-03-2013 09:10:09
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Back to $8.00 here, how much do you want?



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Bret4207

10-03-2013 16:16:04
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Shell corn for $8.00 a hundred pounds? If you have a good supply I'll let my feed dealer know!!!



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