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Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees

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American

08-23-2013 07:14:18
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You said "It is obvious you have been a taker all your life or you would not consider a person desiring to keep his or her's own money as ''selfish'' "

What kind of fuzzy thinking is that?
1) I bet I have had many years when I paid more federal income tax than you paid in a decade. The tax statistics tell that most years I paid more taxes than 97% of the USA citizens.

2) Senior citizens, (and I am one) are large recipeints of government programs. Yes we paid in over the years, but now we are getting it back at a very good return rate. I feel sorry for the young people, who are forced to pay in like we did, but may find it all used up when they get to be our age.

I responded to a guy who said he wanted to pay NO TAXES. That is selfish, given the high level of governemt services we enjoy.

I pay the taxes I owe based upon the law, no more -- no less.

PS: To the folks willing to move to South America to avoid taxes....be my guest...They could not pay me enough to live there.

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LAA

08-23-2013 07:52:51
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to American, 08-23-2013 07:14:18  
I doubt very seriously that you have paid more taxes than I have in my life but it could be so, I am not yet retired and still paying, how many years did you pay the maximum in Social Security? You were probably a government employee which means you were still a net zero as far as taxes go, only takers and goobermint workers ''enjoy'' governemnt services -- the rest of us pay your way.



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American

08-23-2013 08:14:31
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to LAA, 08-23-2013 07:52:51  
You have a very narrow and obviously limited view of our society. Millions of people max'd-out SS annually. I am not a big fan of our government but it sure beats all the other ones in countries I have visited around the world.

Like so many people, it is so easy to curse the government....until EMS saves your childs life, or a tornado blows your house away, or you can't go to work because there is no road, or you want to check the weather for crops, or you want water that is safe to drink.

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RedDawg

08-23-2013 10:40:18
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to American, 08-23-2013 08:14:31  
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All of which were to be handled by the States. My view of society has nothing to do with this. My view of the government has to do with the Constitution. Everything else should be left to the states as stated in the 9th and 10th amendments.



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American

08-23-2013 12:03:02
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to RedDawg, 08-23-2013 10:40:18  
Interesting theory and I agree in concept, but I have lived in several states, some large, some small, and frankly they are not all that efficient or effective. Lots of cronyism, NIH, and frankly there really isn't much point in doing the same research, planning, administration 50 times. Add to that the things that must be nationwide, air traffic control, food and drug certification, defense. Interstate system, SEC.

My state is bankrupt due to terrible pension planning over the last 20 years. And seemingly unwilling to tackle the problem. Pass it on to the next election.

I really struggle to find the things that are handled significantly and measurably better at the local level. Look at education. By and large it is a locally controlled situation. Local teachers, local admin. Local buildings.

"No child left behind" is just a convenient scapegoat to blame for the last 25 years of failure.

I think it is too easy to over simplify the problems our government has to address, local state or nationsl.

I don't advocate a nation takeover, but state and local control is no panaccea either.

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RedDawg

08-23-2013 12:38:07
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to American, 08-23-2013 12:03:02  
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It's not an interesting theory. It's how we were supposed to operate. The 50 states (countries) were to handle their own affairs with the federal government being small and handling the few things the individual states couldn't (common defense, post office, federal judiciary, common money etc..) I'd rather have 50 states trying things and having one of them come up with a better way than some singular overlord in some far off place tell me he knows what's best for me. Every state was supposed to be its own liberty experiment. If you didn't like yours - MOVE. Now with this overreaching centralized government - it's the same everywhere. Where can you move too?
I much prefer local control. People are much more accountable if they live in your own community. Are all of them always right? - No! But if one local school board screws up the education for their kids in one state that doesn't mean you should advocate that the federal government should take over the education of all states. What have THEY ever done well (other then military in most cases)?!?! "No child left behind" is central government control of education - and spending has gone up and scores have gone down! You proved MY point.
The federal government should be so small that the presidency should be a part time position.

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LAA

08-23-2013 08:41:02
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 Re: 5 most tax unfriendly states to retirees in reply to American, 08-23-2013 08:14:31  
The question was how many of your working years did you pay the social security maximum in to the system? The government is not responsible for replacing my home if a tornado takes it out, or a flood or a fire or a war for that matter, that is a concept that had no precedent until very recent years and look what FEMA has spawned, more people with their hands out after every natural calamity, the majority of whom never provided themselves or their families with a home to start with. Roads, garbage pick up and the like are all local services that are funded locally from various taxes such as gasoline and fuel taxes, special property tax millages etc. A working person where I live pays full price for ambulances and emergency services, either with their private insureance or cash or both, people who are dependent on the tax payers for their living recieve these services free.

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