My cousin still hasn't gotten any reimbursement for his sheep that were killed. There's a call to eliminate the law,but the elimination shouldn't be retroactive.
Lost sheep
Lost sheep
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Larry NEIL
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Hindsight governing.....
Well, I'm not going to get into the valuation of the sheep, I have no idea what they sell for. I agree that the county is stuck with the law that is on the books, if they want to change it for future livestock damage, I guess they can.
Don't see how the county can be held liable for wild animal damage, such as coyotes. I've thought county or state governments should place a bounty on coyotes and encourage the good ol boys to hunt them. We just had some plumbing work done by a man that came here from New Zealand. He said possums got there by some means and have no natural enemies so the multiplied greatly. Local government back in the day had a 25 cent bounty on them, determined by bringing in possum tails, and guys would wander the roads at night, shine the possums eyes, and shoot them.
Anyway, sympathy for the losses.
KEH
I grew up in Michigan, you pay for dog tags to fund livestock damage. I suspect they did that to get the dog license fee passed, are they still collecting the dog tag fees? Hmmmmmm isn't that collecting money under false pretenses? What is the small claims limit in Michigan? Or hire an attorney and sue the dog owners for damages and costs, may find out thy don't have the money to pay. If they (the dog owners) have a house their property insurance should pony up for the damages, or the court may decide the law says the county pays and THEY collect the damages and force the county to pay. But then again this is Michigan don't count on the law being equally applied or enforced, but on the bright side it's still better than Wisconsin.
Anonymous-0
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If I were your cousin, I would sue the ditzbrain woman who owned the dogs, too, at the same time.
Owen Aaland
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The way the law reads from the quote, the township is responsible for the damages and they can then go after the owner of the dogs for reimbursement.
dcarp
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Typical behavior of all politicians in today's USA, do nothing.
The law is clear, they need to pay and then sue the dogs owner.
Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot they will enforce a law in order to collect money for the budget even if it's outdated and unfair and doesn't make sense. The law is the law, enforce it all or do away with them. But live up to the ones on the books now.
Those clowns should be voted out next election.
The law is clear, they need to pay and then sue the dogs owner.
Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot they will enforce a law in order to collect money for the budget even if it's outdated and unfair and doesn't make sense. The law is the law, enforce it all or do away with them. But live up to the ones on the books now.
Those clowns should be voted out next election.
MarkB_MI
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- Motown USA
He won't win this one.
If he thinks the county's insurance carrier is going to roll over and pay him for his sheep, he's delusional. As I said back in April, the county's insurance carrier is probably the Michigan Municipal Risk Management Authority, and the MMRMA is not about to pay off a claim that would establish an expensive statewide precedent.
I see no evidence your cousin has bothered to try to collect from the dog's owner. It's very clear who is responsible. She doesn't have any assets or insurance? Welcome to the Real World. In the fantasy world, people file frivolous suits against deep-pocketed defendants and collect mult-million dollar judgements. In the Real World, people like you and me go to court to get compensation for real damages. In the Real World you sometimes lose. In the Real World, even if you win there's a good chance you'll never collect a nickel. News flash: the Real World is not fair.
If he thinks the county's insurance carrier is going to roll over and pay him for his sheep, he's delusional. As I said back in April, the county's insurance carrier is probably the Michigan Municipal Risk Management Authority, and the MMRMA is not about to pay off a claim that would establish an expensive statewide precedent.
I see no evidence your cousin has bothered to try to collect from the dog's owner. It's very clear who is responsible. She doesn't have any assets or insurance? Welcome to the Real World. In the fantasy world, people file frivolous suits against deep-pocketed defendants and collect mult-million dollar judgements. In the Real World, people like you and me go to court to get compensation for real damages. In the Real World you sometimes lose. In the Real World, even if you win there's a good chance you'll never collect a nickel. News flash: the Real World is not fair.
Heck, I'm surprised that she hasn't managed to get him arrested for shooting her "pweshus widdle innowsent doggies who weren't doin' nuthin' wrong when this mean old man shot them dead dead dead for no reason at all!!!"
Even if you can't collect, get a judgement against her. That way if she does ever get some money, you will have first right to it.
Even if you can't collect, get a judgement against her. That way if she does ever get some money, you will have first right to it.
It's not the insurance who would be p[aying for the damages, it should be the kitty that's built up from years and years of dog tags. They found some money that wasn't being spent because nobody made a claim, so they spent it on something else they didn't properly budget for.
Donovan from Wisconsin
MarkB_MI
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> It's not the insurance who would be paying for the damages, it should be the kitty that's built up from years and years of dog tags.
That's an interesting hypothesis, Don, but one that's not based on fact. You can read the law in its entirety at the link below. 287.283 says "An amount awarded pursuant to this section shall be paid by the county out of its general fund." There is no dog tag "kitty". In fact the law explicitly does away with what it calls "dog funds" (287.285).
Regardless of what the law says, it's my understanding that any municipality covered by the Michigan Municipal Risk Management Authority is required to turn over all claims to the MMRMA and is contractually forbidden from paying claims directly. The county attorney is surely aware of that. It's pretty clear that if the sheep owner wants to pursue payment under the 1919 law, he'll have to file suit against the county. At that point the MMRMA will step in. The MMRMA has deep pockets and lots of lawyers; good luck if you have to go to trial against them.
Michigan 1919 dog law
That's an interesting hypothesis, Don, but one that's not based on fact. You can read the law in its entirety at the link below. 287.283 says "An amount awarded pursuant to this section shall be paid by the county out of its general fund." There is no dog tag "kitty". In fact the law explicitly does away with what it calls "dog funds" (287.285).
Regardless of what the law says, it's my understanding that any municipality covered by the Michigan Municipal Risk Management Authority is required to turn over all claims to the MMRMA and is contractually forbidden from paying claims directly. The county attorney is surely aware of that. It's pretty clear that if the sheep owner wants to pursue payment under the 1919 law, he'll have to file suit against the county. At that point the MMRMA will step in. The MMRMA has deep pockets and lots of lawyers; good luck if you have to go to trial against them.
Michigan 1919 dog law
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