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Sean Feeney
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You must not travel much, to get into just about every city tunnel, bridge, or road.
gtwist, That is the beauty part of a toll road here in Texas, there are plenty of alternate routes. It is your option!!
IF not having to deal with the insane amount of Idiot drivers, creeping along a 45/55 mph on the interstate at 8:00am HAVE AT IT, Be My Guest! If getting to your Destination in Short Order, at 75mph, and very few slow downs then the Toll Road may be the right answer for you Here in Texas The Option is the Drivers!!! You don't have to pay if you don't use it.
I personally Have One for any times I need to Get around Austin Tx and Its Idiot Drivers, So I Do Not have to drive I-35 through the middle of town. To Me it's cost is well worth not having to set in a mobile parking lot! Austin 130 Toll Road Is 80MPH! ....H3LL Yes it is worth it!
Later,
John A.
IF not having to deal with the insane amount of Idiot drivers, creeping along a 45/55 mph on the interstate at 8:00am HAVE AT IT, Be My Guest! If getting to your Destination in Short Order, at 75mph, and very few slow downs then the Toll Road may be the right answer for you Here in Texas The Option is the Drivers!!! You don't have to pay if you don't use it.
I personally Have One for any times I need to Get around Austin Tx and Its Idiot Drivers, So I Do Not have to drive I-35 through the middle of town. To Me it's cost is well worth not having to set in a mobile parking lot! Austin 130 Toll Road Is 80MPH! ....H3LL Yes it is worth it!
Later,
John A.
Wheres Waldo
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Go back about 40 years; the Kansas Turnpike from Emporia to the Oklahoma border was (and still is) a toll road. You'd get your time stamped 'ticket' when you got on and if you traveled over the speed limit according to the exit time stamp, you got a speeding ticket. Tended to give the outrageously priced service plazas extra business.
I like the cross town toll road in tampa Fl. that had a toll plaza to pay when I lived and worked there, now its gone and they take picture or your car and mail you a bill with the added service charge of mailing it! Don't think that's fair to anyone visiting the town as no were are there signs telling you there is no place to pay the toll if you get on it?
TomH in PA
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I didn"t mind paying the toll for the PA turnpike up until a few years ago. By law all tolls collected went to maintaining the road, and it was well maintained.
Then our previous governor (Rendell) decided he needed to send more money back to his buddies in Philly. Pretty much doubled the toll and changed the law to use a big chunk of it elsewhere.
Then our previous governor (Rendell) decided he needed to send more money back to his buddies in Philly. Pretty much doubled the toll and changed the law to use a big chunk of it elsewhere.
GTwist come on out to Virginia (northern that is) where first a privately finaniced toll road was put from the beltway to Dulles airport. They made so much money from commuters that the great state, uh commonwealth, decided that a privately financed addition to the beltway with variable tolls based on the number of vehicles on the beltway would improve travel time. Now they're trying everything to get people to run their rosd. Most days I see maybe 4 cars from the west side entrance to end near I-95. I will say it is becoming used more but traffic isn't that bad.
So come run a road "paid for by a private company".
So come run a road "paid for by a private company".
Traditional Farmer
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What could be more fair than the people using something paying for it?
Dave Sherburne NY
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You would love 294 around Chicago, seems like a toll booth every 5 miles.
We went thru Pittsburg to Phillie last year with a loaded trailer and Chevy 3500 Duramax. I decided I did not want to pay the toll so I dropped down into West Virginia and Maryland on I-68. It took me about 10 miles to decide I made a bad choice. On the return trip, I paid the toll and saved almost $350 in fuel cost. I-68 is the slowest up hills and steep fast down hills I think I have ever been on. I-70 goes the the mountains more. If there is a better choice, I will take it over paying a toll most times.
Stephen Newell
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I wouldn't mind them so much if they were operated better. The coin operated equipment often malfunctions so I stopped using them. Then one time I paid to get on one and when I went to get off there was another charge to get off and I didn't have enough change to get off where there was no attendant so I just had to run it. Then last year they came up with a system here in texas where they take a picture of your license plate and send you a bill. I thought I would give it a try and six months later they still have never sent a bill. I figure some day they will hit me with a bunch of late fees for not paying a toll they never sent me a bill for so I'm back to not using toll roads again.
Leroy, You had better get a Grip on things! We have Many, many, many Road here in Texas that have a 75 MPH speed limit. Not Just Interstate type roads just to get in-between 2 county seats you will probably have a road with a 75MPH speed limit. You can't live on the dirt roads any more Here!
Later,
John A.
Later,
John A.
twostepn2001
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John, don't forget once you get into far west Texas, speed limit on I-10 and I-20 goes up to 85mph.
Many politicians originally promised that once the Indiana Toll Road had paid off it's original construction debt, the toll booths would be removed and it would be a free, limited-access highway. 50 years later they sold it to foreigners, who certainly know how to turn a profit.
I'll pay a toll for a bridge or tunnel if I have no other choice. I avoid toll roads whenever possible. You can't see America from a toll road or limited-access highway, anyway. I also dislike sitting for hours and being held prisioner on a highway that won't let me turn off or turn around when there's a wreck in front of me that closes the road.
AG
I'll pay a toll for a bridge or tunnel if I have no other choice. I avoid toll roads whenever possible. You can't see America from a toll road or limited-access highway, anyway. I also dislike sitting for hours and being held prisioner on a highway that won't let me turn off or turn around when there's a wreck in front of me that closes the road.
AG
frank whitehead
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Guess we are lucky in Georgia ,currently you
will only encounter one toll road while driving
thru Georgia and it will be closed in the near future.
Traditional Farmer
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If you think I68 has hills try US 50 next time
MarkB_MI
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So... I guess you're fully in favor of raising fuel taxes to build new roads and fix up the ones we already have. How much of a tax increase do you think is fair? Another buck a gallon on top of what you're already paying? Or would you be willing to support two bucks a gallon?
The reality is that in today's political climate, NOBODY is going to get a road tax increase passed. Most legislators are terrified to even suggest one. So that leaves three remaining options: don't build any new highways, let existing highways and bridges fall apart to fund new roads, or make all new highways toll roads. Take your pick.
In recent years, several new turnpikes have been built in southern California. This is LA, home of the freeway, where driving on toll-free roads is considered a birthright. Yet I can guarantee you that the folks who use those toll roads are very happy to have the opportunity to pay for a shorter commute.
The reality is that in today's political climate, NOBODY is going to get a road tax increase passed. Most legislators are terrified to even suggest one. So that leaves three remaining options: don't build any new highways, let existing highways and bridges fall apart to fund new roads, or make all new highways toll roads. Take your pick.
In recent years, several new turnpikes have been built in southern California. This is LA, home of the freeway, where driving on toll-free roads is considered a birthright. Yet I can guarantee you that the folks who use those toll roads are very happy to have the opportunity to pay for a shorter commute.
Pete in MD
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Mark,
You said: "The reality is that in today's political climate, NOBODY is going to get a road tax increase passed. Most legislators are terrified to even suggest one."
The legislators in Maryland and Governor O'Muttly are NOT afraid to increase tolls and road use taxes. This year they doubled bridge/tunnel tolls and added a sales tax to fuel that's tied to the CPI and will continue to go up forever without any further legislation. This is on top of the existing fuel tax of $.24 per gallon.
You said: "The reality is that in today's political climate, NOBODY is going to get a road tax increase passed. Most legislators are terrified to even suggest one."
The legislators in Maryland and Governor O'Muttly are NOT afraid to increase tolls and road use taxes. This year they doubled bridge/tunnel tolls and added a sales tax to fuel that's tied to the CPI and will continue to go up forever without any further legislation. This is on top of the existing fuel tax of $.24 per gallon.
Hay hay hay
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The guys at the toll road probably won't be able to sleep tonight knowing that you won't be using their toll roads.
Just proves that few people really understand where their taxes go. Your ire might be better directed to the 5 guys with only one shovel riding around our county in a Transportation dump Dept truck every day.
The same guys that you have a beer with weekly and the same guys that could drive past a bent over stop sign 30 days in a row and never stop to straighten it up.
That is a fact, and the real problem. Problem is you know them by name and so do I. But the system won't force them to be responsible employees of the county or state.
Just proves that few people really understand where their taxes go. Your ire might be better directed to the 5 guys with only one shovel riding around our county in a Transportation dump Dept truck every day.
The same guys that you have a beer with weekly and the same guys that could drive past a bent over stop sign 30 days in a row and never stop to straighten it up.
That is a fact, and the real problem. Problem is you know them by name and so do I. But the system won't force them to be responsible employees of the county or state.
A lot of people are trying to boycott the toll roads here in Pa. The Turnpike Commission has become so corrupt that they are wasting millions & millions on kickbacks, etc. They are working against PennDot. Locally, the Turnpike Commission tore out a very good PennDot entrance ramp to a busy highway and installed two traffic lights and a 90 degree turn that trucks have it tough to negotiate - all so they could waste millions on flyover southern-California ramps for a road to nowhere. The tolls have gone up dramatically because of their waste. The final blow - If you pay tolls by cash, the tolls are three or four times higher than if you have EZ Pass. That's Pure discrimination. Who in their right mind would get the EZ Pass when it requires giving your credit card info to the worst crooks in America.
T in NE
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Where did they tear that ramp out at?
That said, I wouldn't run the Pennsylvania pike if I didn't really need to. I would run the Ohio and Indiana pikes, but it sure beat the alternative.
That said, I wouldn't run the Pennsylvania pike if I didn't really need to. I would run the Ohio and Indiana pikes, but it sure beat the alternative.
Our county leaders were far from "terrified" about the potential political reprocussions of additional road taxes. Our county passed some "wheel taxes" a few years back, with a couple of public meetings they all but slept through and a vote afterwards. An additional $25/year per car/pickup, and up from there for other vehicles and trailers for what was supposed to solve all of the funding issues for county road reconstruction projects for the entire county of over a quarter of a million people. Just another one of those "temporary" taxes that go on and on, and eventually up, forever and ever and only ever deliver on a small slice of the promised pie. We're still getting the same "spray some tar/rock mix in potholes once in a great while from a machine, creating a permanent washboard on a paved road" and "dump some cold patch in completely collapsed/missing spots, smear it with a truck blade or road grader, and cover it up ASAP with chip-and-seal so nobody can see the mess they've made every four or five years or so" jobs we've been getting for the last decade or two, and not any more frequently than before, either.
We did get to see a nice road/bridge built over the Indiana Toll road a couple of townships over. New 4-lane road with bike lanes 5 bikers a day might use instead of a 2-lane road that would more than handle ten times it's current traffic levels along with an overly-fancy new 4-lane bridge that somebody never bothered to paint. It's a lovely shade of rust, and a fitting representation of the decay on so many levels of the area. That bridge will rot and collapse upon the Toll Road and the road will be used up, destroyed by salt, freeze-thaw, and lack of maintenance in the same amount of time as a 2-lane road, both needing a complete rebuild long before the road/bridge would ever have near enough traffic to demand 4-lanes.
LA also has some major costs added to each mile of road construction to deal with earthquake risk, more bridges, and creative interchanges to deal with the massive mess of roads they've already created.
AG
Dan T in MO
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I tend to agree with you. However, I was planning a trip down towards Tulsa once. I hate to give Oklahoma any more of my money than I have to. So I did some calculations. Turns out, I would have spent more on gas to go down 66 than I would spend on tolls to stay on I-44.
I can't imagine how you draw a distinction between a fuel tax increase and placing a toll on a road. They're both tax increases. The difference is that the toll road also goes to pay for the leaches that are required to operate the tolls and provide a profit to the private consortium that operates the road. That subject cost a government a mandate not so far from here about 10 years ago. The crew that promised to remove the toll got elected.
Rod
Rod
You get up over 65 MPH and you are not driving the car, just aiming it and hope it goes where you want it. The reason we are having so many one car wrecks is too much speed they cannot control the car. and that is on perfectly good smooth straight wide pavement roads. The only reason to allow that type of speeds is to control the rate of population as every one that kills themselves by speeding is just one less to reproduce.
Might I suggest a reason they are terrified? The current administration has done nothing to help or encourage a strong economy, quite the opposite, they are looking for ways to further extract more tax money and create more uncertainty for business. The previous one through neglect at the end and a certain opposition party being in power, didn't help either. So, until there is proof of a strong and sustained recovery all legislators should be running scared of increasing costs to business and individuals. I fear that is not coming for about three years at minimum, maybe more if the coronation of "Madame President" come to pass.
showcrop
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Don't get me started on Bicyclists. We get a lot of them on our secondary roads, and the states and towns seem to have big "share the road with bicyclists" campaigns. I'm sure that most of them are good but there are plenty of just plain militants who insist on riding two abreast. The law requires you to give them something like ten feet when you pass, so in order to pass safely you frequently have to follow them for awhile in order to be able to see ahead. They want us to share the road but when they have it they want us to slow down to their speed to follow them, and won't share.
MarkB_MI
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Rod, if gave you the impression I'm a supporter of toll roads, that's not the case. Nor am I in favor of enriching private companies with state-sponsored monopolies just to spare elected officials the trouble of making difficult decisions. Planning, building and maintaining roadways CAN be done better and more efficiently by the public, rather than private, sector. Whether or not the public sector actually does as good of a job as it could is of course debatable.
I like to think of myself as a realist: highways cost a lot money to build and maintain, and it's only fair that those who benefit the most from them pay the brunt of the cost. Fuel taxes are equitable, but so are tolls.
I like to think of myself as a realist: highways cost a lot money to build and maintain, and it's only fair that those who benefit the most from them pay the brunt of the cost. Fuel taxes are equitable, but so are tolls.
MarkB_MI
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WB, I'm sure you're aware that the Dow and S&P both hit all-time highs a little over a week ago: 15,658 for the DJIA and 1710 for the S&P 500. One can only wonder what those numbers would be if we just had a favorable business climate. What do you think? Would the Dow break 20K? Maybe 2500 for the S&P?
As for your prediction of a 2016 win by a certain unnamed female candidate, is that based on her well-known charm and good looks, or merely on the inability of her opponents to field a viable candidate?
As for your prediction of a 2016 win by a certain unnamed female candidate, is that based on her well-known charm and good looks, or merely on the inability of her opponents to field a viable candidate?
Mark, one can only wonder what those numbers would be if our dollar was worth more than the paper it's printed on and if Washington would have actually bothered to prosecute some on Wall Street for the home mortgage illegality, among other things. DOW 8000? S&P 850? Less?
AG
Sub out Kevin Bacon for the prez and get our current economic plan
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AG
Sub out Kevin Bacon for the prez and get our current economic plan
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I-90/94 from Rockford to Chitcago turned my stomach to tolls a few years ago. Then I took the same roads to Connecticut and I vow to NEVER EVER take toll roads again. Rockford to Chitcago cost me $28 round trip for about 90 miles. Then the trip to Connecticut cost around $150 one way. The issue is I took 90/94 to Washington State cost me a grand total of NOTHING. Why do I have to pay that kind of money for the PRIVILEDGE of crossing these special states. All they received from me is that they have NOTHING I need to visit or see in those SPECIAL places.
Tore out the entrance ramp from PA 51 to US-119. Seven or eight cars and work trucks sitting at the lights now at all times - while the flyover southern California million dollar ramps are empty, unless someone takes one by mistake ( and they were designed for just that).
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