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JD Seller

07-29-2013 18:38:17

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I did not see too many grain farmers "supporting" the livestock farmers the last few years. I know livestock farmers that where set back ten years in what they lost the last few years.

One dairy not far from me was losing $100K per month with the raising feed cost. The biggest part of that was THE CORN PRICE!!! What was the family supposed to do??? Sell all their cows???

When the livestock farmers are making a good profit I did not see them running up ground to $14,000 per acre or out buying new combines/tractors every year and such or paying $500 per acre cash rents. Two different BTO just west and north of me paid that this year.

I sure did see a whole bunch of grain farmers spending money like drunken sailors. Plus then still receiving Government CHECKS!!!!! Why should they be getting money when grain prices are at record HIGHS???? I know they "earned" it 4-5 years ago. Well they where making money then so why should they get a "handout" now???

What is going to happen is that a whole bunch of GRAIN FARMERS are going to go bust when the grain prices cycle. Then they are going to go around screaming for the Government to bail them out of the mess they made themselves!!! I saw it happen in the early 1980s and the same attitude has been driving them now. GREED!!!

So I say let the grain farmers smack bottom just like the livestock farmers always have to do. I have never seen much in the way of government "hand outs" to the livestock farmer.

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07-30-2013 06:31:13

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 Re: CORN PRICES AND FEED PRICES in reply to JD Seller, 07-29-2013 18:38:17  
JD Seller & Massey farmer,maybe I was raised in a different culture,but we and others only raised what livestock we could feed(raise).The BTOs(your words)in livestock were also the largest farmers.If you needed more feed you bought or rented more land.When grain went down to cost,they said how stupid it was to raise grain and started buying feed and raising more livestock and then went the other way when grain went up.I was always taught $1.00 corn makes .10 hogs.And JD,a lot of big cattle people got a lot-a lot of government money(feed cost) during drought yrs.

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Massey farmer

07-29-2013 19:18:28

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 Re: CORN PRICES AND FEED PRICES in reply to JD Seller, 07-29-2013 18:38:17  

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07-29-2013 19:02:57

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 Re: CORN PRICES AND FEED PRICES in reply to JD Seller, 07-29-2013 18:38:17  
I don't see where guys with livestock are ~any~ different. They just operate within a different bubble. When the price of beef goes up every Tom Dick and Harry think's he a cowman and starts keeping a big bunch of cows until the price crashes again. When the price of milk soars there's nobody like a dairyman to cure that problem by expanding by another hundred head. In certain locales here those are the guys that do run land rent up. The big guys that have the cash flow run the quota prices up, etc.
The only thing keeping beef from making a comeback in this area right now is largely the fact that the herd has been decimated overall to the point that there aren't the numbers to rebuild it quickly... or the liquidity... or for that matter, the general infrastructure as most of that has already crumbled after 10 years of poor prices from the BSE mess. It's certainly not from the number of saints that pervade in the livestock industry that's preventing a large scale rebound.


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Formerly PaMike

07-29-2013 18:43:22

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 Re: CORN PRICES AND FEED PRICES in reply to JD Seller, 07-29-2013 18:38:17  
I agree 100%. My neighbor works at a Case IH dealer. He says the last few years have been nuts. Selling equipment as fast as they can get it. That works for the guys that bought equipment at the beginning of the high grain prices. They will have it paid for by the time it all swings back down. But, the guys that just bought, and have years of payments should be getting a little nervous with the projected corn prices for this fall...

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