How involved is getting a DOT#

I got on the computer to see what I could find out, but now im more confused than ever. According to their questionnaire I need one, but im thinking I may just take my chances. Probationary periods, annual safety audits, for some hillbilly with a tractor/lowboy for moving MY farm equipment, and tandem dump to haul MY grain? What have your guys experiences been with this foolishness?
 
Doesn't matter if you are moving "your"equipment or "your" grain...you're going to need a number, along with a CDL with air brake and any other endorsements that are required for what you are hauling...oh, don't forget the daily inspection reports,drivers log, equipment maintenance files for each truck,and trailer...and they can come on your premises and ask to see any and all records,and files pertaining to the vehicles, during normal business hours...ain't it great
 
I had a dot number and just dropped it.To much paper work and constant new regulations.You have to log your miles in each state and how much fuel you use in each state and I barely went out of state.You still have to do the paper work.A woman from the dot came to my house with a computer,told me there were 3000 violations available when I got my number.You have to keep service record of you truck and trailer repairs in a file that they can come and see 24-7.
 
get it, and the cdl if you dont already have one, some states still have a farm exemption, but not all do, and most of the dot cops dont know the regs for farm exempt, the tandem dump, will get you nailed without a cdl, as farm or no ,most states require a cdl with air brake endorsement to run on a interstate hiway,weather you hauling your stuff or somebody elses, the first ticket for any of that will be way more than the cost of just getting everything leagle ,and the laws are changing all the time, its just better to do it right than to fly by night and hope you dont get caught
 
I got one in my name a year and a half ago. That said the requirements have changed alot over the years and are now a bit more involved than just asking for one. Now the first thing you have to do is have a Tax ID number, the days of using your SSN are over. Next, based on the info you give, they will issue a probationary DOT number. The probationary period will be 18 months.

Sometime within that time period, usually within the first 12 months, you'll get a letter and/or a call telling you to bring your paperwork to a "Safety Audit". Personally I had to make about a 120 mile round trip drive to Greensboro for mine. With the info on the audit, you'll get a list of items to bring.

Once at the audit an examiner will look at your documents and decide wether the records your keeping are OK, or wether what you have needs work. I'm sure there are examiners that can be a$$holes, but the one I had was actually a nice guy. He went through my stuff and where I was OK, but maybe not exactly what they liked to see, he told me what I needed to improve on to insure no future problems should I ever get imspected again. The only thing I didn't 'pass' was on was that I forgot to bring my fuel reciepts that were 'supporting documents' for some of the other paperwork. If I had taken them I would have passed with a perfect score.

In my case I am an individual, with only one vehicle, and I am the only driver, so the paperwork I need to keep isn't that big of a deal. Even then you'll need things like a driver file (ie-background check for yourself, copy of your medical card, etc), truck service and maintenance info, etc, etc. Basically, other than the background check, things you'd normally keep anyway in a commercial operation, if for no other reason than the tax write offs. I see someone had posted about the safety inspections, and in some cases they are required. However for a single vehicle, and a single driver, daily inspections aren't required. If you have more than one truck, more than one driver, etc then things are a bit more complicated as far as the safety inspections go.

That said, after I applied for my number, I was contacted by Foley Carrier Services. Their main business is helping "Motor Carriers" remain DOT compliant. I think the initial cost was like $150 but they send you a packet telling you all the stuff needed to make the DOT examiner happy, along with the forms, etc required to make it happen. As part of that they do your background check, and provide you with a driver file pretty much ready for the audit. From that point on it's like $70 per year for them to keep up with your info, contact you with any changes or additional paperwork requirements (and send you copies of said paperwork to fill out), etc, etc. In other words you still have to keep up with your end but they keep up with the DOT side of things as far as changes, etc, and provide the assistance needed to make it easy to do without spending hours online trying to keep up with regulaion changes on your own.

Beyond that, once you get the number, and pass the safety audit, and the 18 months pass, you'll get a nice letter from DOT telling you that your probationary period is passed and the number is now permenant. I just got mine in the mail last week. Ultimately it sounds like alot, and in some ways it is if you try to do it all by yourself, but it's really not as bad as it sounds, especially if you don't mind spending a little money to get someone like Foley to assist. Good luck.
Foley Carrier Services
 
This subject comes up often.Best to call your state DOT office as all states must not be the same.Congress which to me means all states has a law called MAP21 that states farmers and their employees are exempt 150 mi from home for farm related items.If you have a DOT # you automatically are commercial and need med card, CDL,log book,and follow all regulations.I have had commercial trucks for 40 years and now use them for our own farm use and fall under the farm exemption so we do nothing special and removed all signs & #s . They have held DOT meeting at our shop to [TRY] to explain what is legal.Getting a DOT # is simple application its the rest of the regulations that you can be fined for.
 
Actually the mandate is National and has to do with vehicle weight. I think 27,000 is the turn around number which is a 6 wheel bobtail. For a 10 wheel bobtail you are over 27k as are you at full 18 wheel 80,000#.

It's been along time but a Class B CDL will get the 6 wheel but you need a Class A for anything above. State issues license. On the Class A you need to take a driving test.

Other thing is a federal tax number that used to cost $500/year to register the truck. Then there is a requirement for insurance that is also mandated, a minimum allowable. State DOT ought to have all the info.

In short it's expensive and a pain in the ............

Then this year I get a letter from DOT saying that I have to certify that I'm using my CDL on a regular basis. Otherwise they will down grade you to an Operator's permit. Well I'm retired and don't truck any more so I'm going to loose my CDL.

Course if you do drive regularly, now they have a physical testing requirement that you have to meet or loose it. Getting tough but the idea is to keep the roads safe.

The only good news is that a CDL has to be renewed at the local DOT office and the lines are usually around the block. If they down grade you to Operator's and you have a good driving record, they will online renew for 6 years. I can handle that.

Mark
 
Missed something. You said DOT number. The truck number is (was for me) issued out of the Federal Court House in Dallas....down town. You have to show up in person. UGH!

Mark
 
Your supposed to have one here in NY for anything over 10000 lbs combined weight, I never bothered with getting one. Heck I had a log truck driver in here one time, he dident even have any on his truck. I don't see any need for a pickup truck and a trailer to need them. We got asked by a trooper once about it, my brother said isent that only for big dump trucks and tractor trailers, trooper just told us to look into it.
 
Bought a semi a few months ago for farm use only. Talked to the DOT man and he said it would be easier if I dropped my CDL and got a non commerical CDL. The problem is I work part time where I need a CDL. Guess I will just play dumb.
 
That is correct Jay. They now have people out spotting for contractors over 10,000 pounds, and no DOT #"s. I was just warned myself. And of course, the spotters, I"m sure have to justify there job by documenting the warning. Now, if you go through a DOT check with no numbers, they can see you"ve been warned. This all started during the BUSH years. You may be a terrorist carrying explosives. You don"t have to log miles as if driving big rigs. But, you"re to go by other CDL rules. Here"s how it goes; If truck, or truck trailer combination is over 10,000 pounds, and is used for business, you need DOT #"s on truck or trailer. Also, truck, or trailer, need to be lettered up for business. IT"s FREE!!!!! No cost for the numbers!!!!! It looks to me like New York is setting the stage to charge an advertising tax for driving down the roads. Yet, a person with little driving experience can drive across the country in a bus like camper, towing a vehicle. They don"t need DOT numbers.
 
Wasent it part of the homeland security act or something? I remember telling my brother, well customers feel safer if we have a bomb in the truck and have dot numbers on the truck, vs a bomb in the truck without any dot numbers, lol
 

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