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Re: More home electrical for a compote idiot

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John T

04-28-2013 10:53:11

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Okay guys, my thoughts FWIW (= 0 lol)

If alls well an AC voltmeter should read:

120 VAC Line (Black) to Neutral (White) 120 VAC Line (Black) to Ground (Green/Bare)


Of course, if theres an open Neutral back to the panel and you place a meter on a Neutral thats on the other (NOT to panel) side of that opening thats on the return side of a load (like a light thats on but not working cuz its Neutral is open) a meter there WOULD READ 120 TO GROUND LIKE HE SAID!!!!!!!!

I agree Id be tracing wiring looking for a Neutral thats gotten seperated or burned off or come loose, especially (at a junction) at a receptacle where they are stabbed in and/or loose screwed and lost continuity.

Tell ya what I think and hope some professional electricians weigh in, even if the code allows?????? daisy chained Neutrals where the Neutral is effectively spliced via receptacle screws or stab connections, I PREFER THE NEUTRALS BE SPLICED IN AN APPROVED (Or at least better) METHOD WITH A JUMPER RAN TO THE OUTLETS NEUTRAL TERMINAL i.e. dont use the outlet for splicing the Neutrals (is that permissible nowadays, its NOT my preference???)

Whatcha think sparkies?????

John T

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dr sportster

04-28-2013 12:57:50

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 Re: More home electrical for a compote idiot in reply to John T, 04-28-2013 10:53:11  
It is a code violation to not tail off but only in a multi-wire branch circuit. Although it is very bad practice [as probably what happened in Jose Bagges case here]. In an office buiding all circuits are going to be Multi- wire BC so the first phase rough in the splices are buried leaving two tails with the splice buried in the back of the box then at time of switching and plugging a Pass & Seymore device with prewired receptacle tails and litle clear "wire nuts " pick up the two tails left in the box at rough in. However this is another fail situation as it is as flimsy as a back wired receptacle when the pushed in leads fail to make good contact . But it only affects that receptacle. Oh {and heres why the contractor paid more for this ] IT'S REAL FAST! Haha.

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The Red

04-28-2013 11:22:27

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 Re: More home electrical for a compote idiot in reply to John T, 04-28-2013 10:53:11  
John it almost sounds like the brass plate between the two neutral screws on one of the outlets is broken. Those can be purposely broken off to cut continuous current.

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John T

04-28-2013 11:36:49

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 Re: More home electrical for a compote idiot in reply to The Red, 04-28-2013 11:22:27  
YEP if you wire up a Multi Wire Branch Circuit, those tie tabs are broken off BUT THATS ON THE HOT SIDE, THE COMMON NEUTRALS ON OTHER SIDE. Or else a loose burned stab in somewhere or a loose screw on a duplex receptacle


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