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Re: Thinking of starting a relocation service...

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Bret4207

04-19-2013 03:43:07
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We were ready to leave after the NYS (not so) SAFE Act got passed. Looked hard at Missouri and low and behold Mo. had gun laws just as bad or worse in the works. You can't get land in 300 acre chunks out in a lot of the western states and water is an issue. I'd love to go to Texas but I'm not giving up 342 acres to live on a 3/4 acre lot in a subdivision. I might, if I was really lucky, get $200k for my place. That isn't going to buy much in a lot of the rest of the country.

Great idea, but we've run out of places to run to.
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 04:42:45 04/21/13 2 times.

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JD Seller

04-19-2013 04:06:23
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 Re: Thinking of starting a relocation service... in reply to Bret4207, 04-19-2013 03:43:07  
Brett The new laws will just make more average citizens criminals under them. I sure as heck am not turning in any of my guns regardless of what some politicians pass in DC or the state house.

100% of my guns have been boughten privately with zero Federal knowledge. So I will just keep the powers that be dumb about what I exactly have. A couple of old rusty single shots rifles out in plain site and the rest in safe places.

Thinks about it. Did probation make people stop drinking???? Does the strict guns laws make DC and Chicago the safest places to BE ??????

All of this is just politicians blowing hot air to make themselves look good to the uninformed and the stupid. I think the stupid part is getting bigger. Too many sheep anymore.

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Billy NY

04-19-2013 04:48:37
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 Re: Thinking of starting a relocation service... in reply to JD Seller, 04-19-2013 04:06:23  
The thing that gets me, is the feds have access to any longtime dealers "ledger" and I assume have the ability to audit or use the information in any way necessary, criminal investigation and beyond.

I'll use myself as an example, I may have bought firearms in the late 80's early 90's from a much older gent, whom now is likely senile, (get my drift?) who has been a dealer most of his life, and did record what was sold in that book/ledger etc. Given this infringement of the 2nd amendment hastily passed here in NY, I am assuming the real reason behind the registration is to update that ledger, as people may have sold off what they have or ownership has changed.

So now they change the rules, specifications, none of which accomplish anything, but an attempt to make a list of those who are now considered to have something they do not want you to have anymore, and increase the chance of making that so if you do not comply with laws they created, all which was done in absolute haste.

As I see it they just levied a tax against people like myself, whom miraculously for some unknown reason no longer own anything they want to know about, problem is that, those things that somehow got lost or can't be found, used to have a purpose, putting food on the table, pest control and so on, has to be replaced with something they don't have a law that requires them to know you have it. I speak in vague terms, but make no mistake about it, I will not for any reason cooperate with the new laws, which is now a crime, so that means certain things just happen to disappear, but have a replacement cost. One has to hide and never be seen with certain things, in fear of someone reporting what you have, thats a hell of a way to have to live, fearing at least a year in the lock up for what is an unalienable right.

We pay incredible taxes for the lands we have in this state, a tad under a hundred acres of A42 zoned ag land in this town will cost you at least 8k per year, not to mention all the other high taxation that drives business out. When I was young we still had a decent manufacturing base all around here, most of that is gone, one of my favorites was the nearby garden way plant, Troy Bilt Rototillers and so many other well made products and although one senate majority leader tried to help them make it, the overall big picture, with the way business's are treated here, still won and they shut the place down for good.

I cannot say I blame people for leaving, or making changes, its shameful that things are this way.

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04-19-2013 18:03:25
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 Re: Thinking of starting a relocation service... in reply to Billy NY, 04-19-2013 04:48:37  
What you need to understand about Missouri gun laws are the same idiot submits the same laws every year and they NEVER get out of committee,no matter what Glen Beck says. I can strap on a 45 and walk down the streets of St Louis with out a permit, CC is allowed.



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