Looks like someone is finally pulling the trigger on that.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/02/its-official-ram-1500-to-get-v6-ecodiesel.html
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/02/its-official-ram-1500-to-get-v6-ecodiesel.html
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Anonymous-0
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Alot of makers have tried to make a V diesel work but most of them gave up on the V--IH--Cummins--Cat--Perkins--John Deere--Detroit- any more?
Ivan in Mich
Member
Its about time. I don"t know why more diesals aren"t used over here. When I was in Germany a couple years ago almost every car and van were using them and they got fantisc mileage
the tractor vet
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Why not a 4BT Cummins . as i have tossed that idea around a lot of finding a Dodge Dakota and stuffen in a 4 BT coupled to a five speed . The only problem is that the 4 BT it tall and i have not put a tape measure to the Dakota drive line center . I know it would fit in a 1500 with out much hassle but i really just want a smaller truck to beat back and forth to the farm when i don't need all the tools that are in the one ton . Getting to many miles on my 95 as it is coming up on 150000 .
Anonymous-0
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How the ell are they going to put a GOOD diesel engine in a new 1/2 ton pickup that woun't even carry a 1/2 ton, And I don't mean just Dodge, any of the big three.
John M
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Im just waiting on B&Ds response. Im sure he"ll have
something negative to say about it!
something negative to say about it!
Anonymous-0
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Hopeing to put a 4 bt in the Yoder toter next year.
bobs old iron
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small diesels were around in the 80's, every one wasn't ready/into them at that time, i have a 83 ford ranger with a mazda 4 banger diesel, had two of them, still have the second one..dodge did have one also, it was [mitzubiti]ram-50 truck. now that fuel prices are going up again, who knows how sales will be, only if mileage is better than gassers, other wise it's like buying a full size with lousy mileage...
Deere Scotty
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Here"s my line of thinking. Fuel Economy restrictions are getting so bad for them, & diesels get better economy; that it just makes wise to put a more fuel efficient engine in instead of lightening the vehicle! I have a 1 ton Diesel that I drive every day to work. I wouldn"t mind having a 1/2 ton for that same purpose. I don"t need to haul or pull anything 97% of the time!
Russ from MN
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- Bemidji MN
I don't think so, in Germany you don't see or smell exhaust!
IF I knew how to post the photos I could make both of you smack your lips. Just got in this week the complete front clip of a 2010 van. It is a 4bt turbo and after cooled coupled to 5 speed complete with radiator and all electrical. I am doing some measuring my reason for buying it was I was going to repower a IH scout. This engine turned out to be so nice I am thinking I may put it in a one ton IH truck I have here on the farm. Neat little flat bed dump and I think the Cummins would really make it nice. Looks like will not be too bad but I was told early on when I started the scout project the ONLY way was get a frame cut then you have all the mounts and small stuff.
Anonymous-0
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I'm waiting in angst for it.
Anonymous-0
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Have to get back to work on this one, 4 cly
It-sue in a 86 Chevy crew cab.
It-sue in a 86 Chevy crew cab.
Anonymous-0
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ot to worry.....Chevy has already announced & Ford will follow.
Anonymous-0
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I think a good combination would be the 4cyl. turbo
Hino from their 1 1/2 ton in a pick up. If a 1 1/2
ton box van can get 20 MPG+, a half ton should be
quite a bit better. Even the non turbo 6 I had in a
4 ton got about 15 MPG empty.
Hino from their 1 1/2 ton in a pick up. If a 1 1/2
ton box van can get 20 MPG+, a half ton should be
quite a bit better. Even the non turbo 6 I had in a
4 ton got about 15 MPG empty.
FonterraFarmer
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Actually Ford have a 2.7 and 3.0litre V6 diesel thats quite good..now if only they put that into F series Fords. 
FonterraFarmer
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And the 70 series LANDCRUISER has a 4.5 litre V8 Diesel, and Nissan also have a 3.0 litre turbo diesel in the Navara.
(quoted from post at 23:51:04 02/14/13) Actually Ford have a 2.7 and 3.0litre V6 diesel thats quite good..now if only they put that into F series Fords.
I would guess them more likely to use the new 3.2L inline 5cyl diesel that got cleared in the US for the new Transit commercial vans. It already uses the same transmission they use in the F-150 and would be rather "drop-in" on that platform.
just another old geezer
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My jeep liberty carries it's diesel just fine. Dodge sprinter vans had diesels as well.
buickanddeere
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Up to the late 1980"s & 1990"s when gasoline engines were underpowered ,choked with primitive emissions equipment & controls. The turbo diesel was a simple P mechanical pump engine. Diesel fuel cost less than gasoline and nobody checked for coloured off road fuel .
Last time I looked at the calendar it"s 2013.technology, emissions and fuel prices have changed .
Problem is many people still you live in the past.
Last time I looked at the calendar it"s 2013.technology, emissions and fuel prices have changed .
Problem is many people still you live in the past.
buickanddeere
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Some people are terrified of change. Should have seen some
of Mrs. B&D's family when the whole clan went to down east to
the Atlantic coast for a wedding and vacation.
They would go to a seafood resturant located on the docks.
Then order a burger and fries . They looked at my plates of
fresh clams, mussels, lobster, scallops, halibut etc with
revulsion and terror.
Some of them were just so set in their ways they could not
even try differ food from what they were used to.would not
even consider trying a single bite.
of Mrs. B&D's family when the whole clan went to down east to
the Atlantic coast for a wedding and vacation.
They would go to a seafood resturant located on the docks.
Then order a burger and fries . They looked at my plates of
fresh clams, mussels, lobster, scallops, halibut etc with
revulsion and terror.
Some of them were just so set in their ways they could not
even try differ food from what they were used to.would not
even consider trying a single bite.
buickanddeere
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How does it pay to purchase a more expensive diesel ?
Purchase more expensive fuel. Have the same power and
mpg as a direct injection gasser. Plus have higher priced
service costs?
Answer, it doesn't but if somebody will purchase them. Why
not.
All North America is getting is imported foreign diesels to fill
a niche market.
As long as gasoline is $3.63 and diesel $3.93. How are
diesel vehicles going to compete?
Don't give me some story about torque or 300,000 miles
either.
Purchase more expensive fuel. Have the same power and
mpg as a direct injection gasser. Plus have higher priced
service costs?
Answer, it doesn't but if somebody will purchase them. Why
not.
All North America is getting is imported foreign diesels to fill
a niche market.
As long as gasoline is $3.63 and diesel $3.93. How are
diesel vehicles going to compete?
Don't give me some story about torque or 300,000 miles
either.
John M
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Well, partner, for one thing, I just happen to drive an 08 diesel, thats my choice, not yours. Do I know its cost more for this that and the other, sure I do, but its my money to spend not yours! Besides, I bought my truck brand new for the same price, actually less, than its gas counterpart. Live in the past, nah! But I dont tell anyone else how they should live their life, or what they should be driving! Im sorry people who choose to drive diesels offend you for what ever reason, but I wont apologize for what I choose to drive. Im done wasting my time and yours and anyone elses reading you drunken drivel!
buickanddeere
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Doubt if anybody is drinking at a nuclear facility .
Have to question how your found the up front price of a diesel cheaper than the comparable gas?
As long as you are admitting you are driving the diesel to obtain a " feel good" thrill , fine with me. It"s the people who still think it"s cost savings to drive an emissions diesel who are irritating.
Have to question how your found the up front price of a diesel cheaper than the comparable gas?
As long as you are admitting you are driving the diesel to obtain a " feel good" thrill , fine with me. It"s the people who still think it"s cost savings to drive an emissions diesel who are irritating.
Chris in SK
Member
Have you ever driven any of these 'imported foreign diesels' to know what you are talking about.....??? If so which ones??
Tx Jim
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Really inmates smoke & do dope in a jail without getting caught so why not a nuclear facility??
buickanddeere
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Irresponsable,imorral and unlawful people inhabit
jails.
Irresponsable,imorral and unlawful people spend
either none or a very brief amount of time in a
nuclear facility.
jails.
Irresponsable,imorral and unlawful people spend
either none or a very brief amount of time in a
nuclear facility.
Anonymous-0
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Is this the same nuclear facility that didn't check the auto stop on the overhead crane and the block came crashing down? I don't think anyone give a rats azz that you work at a nuclear facilty. The over achievers are running their own companies. With all the new technology, when are you taking delivery of your new gas tractor? You certainly aren't going to suggest anyone should pay for higher priced diesel and the extra maintenance are you?
buickanddeere
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Nobody was impared when the crane incident occurred and your reference to it is a rather cheap distraction from the facts. Almost as sleezy as your hiding behind a guest posting.
I was going to give you credit for knowing the difference between light, medium and HD power applications. And the graduated introduction of Tier III and Tier IV emissions. Plus the timeline enforcing the regulations across the HP divisions. I"m doubting now of you know or care.
However you are more concerned about your hurt feelings that somebody doesn"t agree. That diesel always has the advantage . Those days are gone thanks to the EPA and fuel pricing.
Don"t blame me, I didn"t regulate the diesel into what it is today. There was a time when the diesel ruled and gasoline, LP and natural gas were a distant. 2nd, 3rd and 4 th choice.
Move with the times. I recall stories of old timers who figured the horse would never be replaced by the tractor or car. Regular people would never take a casual airplane flight for a vacation. Some said the radio, electricity, TV and Internet would never catch on. Some lived the rest of their lives stubbornly stuck while technology moved ahead.
So stick with your EPA choked light diesel and over priced fuel if you want.
The under 25HP equipment market has manufactures having to make some diesel or direct injection gas choices.
If it wasn"t for the inertia of introducing diesel and all it"s advantages from the 50"s to the 80"s . There would be a faster swing back to gasoline now.
Long term price of fuel will drive the market . Will North America start pricing diesel like Europe or continue current over priced policy?
If it wasn"t for policy for decades of cheaper European , south American, Asian and Australian diesel vs. gasoline. Light diesel highway applications would be rare anywhere in the world.
I was going to give you credit for knowing the difference between light, medium and HD power applications. And the graduated introduction of Tier III and Tier IV emissions. Plus the timeline enforcing the regulations across the HP divisions. I"m doubting now of you know or care.
However you are more concerned about your hurt feelings that somebody doesn"t agree. That diesel always has the advantage . Those days are gone thanks to the EPA and fuel pricing.
Don"t blame me, I didn"t regulate the diesel into what it is today. There was a time when the diesel ruled and gasoline, LP and natural gas were a distant. 2nd, 3rd and 4 th choice.
Move with the times. I recall stories of old timers who figured the horse would never be replaced by the tractor or car. Regular people would never take a casual airplane flight for a vacation. Some said the radio, electricity, TV and Internet would never catch on. Some lived the rest of their lives stubbornly stuck while technology moved ahead.
So stick with your EPA choked light diesel and over priced fuel if you want.
The under 25HP equipment market has manufactures having to make some diesel or direct injection gas choices.
If it wasn"t for the inertia of introducing diesel and all it"s advantages from the 50"s to the 80"s . There would be a faster swing back to gasoline now.
Long term price of fuel will drive the market . Will North America start pricing diesel like Europe or continue current over priced policy?
If it wasn"t for policy for decades of cheaper European , south American, Asian and Australian diesel vs. gasoline. Light diesel highway applications would be rare anywhere in the world.
Actually, a story in Farm Industry News magazine stated that with the almost impossible diesel emissions problems, tractor makers ARE looking hard at building tractors with gasoline, propane , Hydrogen, CNG, LNG, Ethanol engines in the near future.
A story put out by Toyota last fall states that they have an Atkinson cycle gas engine ready for future hybrid projects that is 45% efficient at converting gasoline to power.( the old Toyota Atkinson cycle engine in todays Prius is 38% efficient) Thats right up there with the best agricultural diesels, using a cheaper, cleaner fuel.
A story put out by Toyota last fall states that they have an Atkinson cycle gas engine ready for future hybrid projects that is 45% efficient at converting gasoline to power.( the old Toyota Atkinson cycle engine in todays Prius is 38% efficient) Thats right up there with the best agricultural diesels, using a cheaper, cleaner fuel.
Anonymous-0
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You make it sound like working in a union job and especially at a nuclear power plant, that nothing ever goes wrong and/or nobody ever messes up. Well that just isn't case. What's scary is having an incident where someone could have been killed and everybody is union trained and sober. There's not really an excuse for that, is there?
buickanddeere
Well-known Member
Make a point instead of being jealous of union wages , union protection and industries with job security.
Incidents do happen but with much lower frequency and wirh lesser consequences than non nuclear, non union and unskilled sites.
Incidents do happen but with much lower frequency and wirh lesser consequences than non nuclear, non union and unskilled sites.
Tx Jim
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I'd certainly hope incidents are less frequent. Being exposed to nuclear fallout doesn't sound like a fun experience.
buickanddeere
Well-known Member
There are different kinds of reactors with varying degrees of
containment and redundant protective equipment.
A PWR which runs enriched fuel has inherent risks that a
PHWR doesn"t.
Used PWR fuel will take off and go critical in the used fuel
bay if surrounded by plain water. That is what happened in
Japan when cooling was interrupted and the bay was refilled
with water lacking sufficient boron neutron absorber.
The Japanese used fuel bays also contained many years
worth of used fuel that should have been in long term storage
decades ago.
Used PHWR fuel is inert when placed in ordinary water.
The PHWR around here have everything behind one or
two reinforced heavy grade concrete walls four feet thick each.
One regular backup generator, six backup generators , two
emergency backup generators and connections for fire truck
pumpers. Plus all the battery backup pumps and two elevated
cooling water storage tanks.
Then there is the vacuum containment system to purge any
leaks and filter system to scrub anything if the vacuum system
fills up.
Much different than Chernobyl , three mile or Japan
designs.
Our operators also have the training and option to think out
of the box if an unique problem arises that is not covered in
the procedures.
containment and redundant protective equipment.
A PWR which runs enriched fuel has inherent risks that a
PHWR doesn"t.
Used PWR fuel will take off and go critical in the used fuel
bay if surrounded by plain water. That is what happened in
Japan when cooling was interrupted and the bay was refilled
with water lacking sufficient boron neutron absorber.
The Japanese used fuel bays also contained many years
worth of used fuel that should have been in long term storage
decades ago.
Used PHWR fuel is inert when placed in ordinary water.
The PHWR around here have everything behind one or
two reinforced heavy grade concrete walls four feet thick each.
One regular backup generator, six backup generators , two
emergency backup generators and connections for fire truck
pumpers. Plus all the battery backup pumps and two elevated
cooling water storage tanks.
Then there is the vacuum containment system to purge any
leaks and filter system to scrub anything if the vacuum system
fills up.
Much different than Chernobyl , three mile or Japan
designs.
Our operators also have the training and option to think out
of the box if an unique problem arises that is not covered in
the procedures.
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