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Re: Is it just a matter of marketing?

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01-05-2013 20:28:13

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It was a lot more than the corporate guys selling us out. A company has to make a certain amount of gross profit to stay in business. A large chunk of that gross profit goes to new material and or product say 3-6 months down the road. If they have to borrow money to buy that stuff they get in trouble quick. The company owners want some money for their pockets too as do investors. The government sold us out by imposing minimum wages. How much do you think that drives up cost every time they raise it? Unions too. Is a guy at CaseIH in Fargo really worth 18 bucks an hour putting in a couple of bolts? The union got em there. So don't just put the blame on that ole evil company. There is plenty of blame to go around.


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01-06-2013 03:50:39

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 Re: Is it just a matter of marketing? in reply to oldtanker, 01-05-2013 20:28:13  
How much per hour can you live on. You are making payments and paying taxes on your house or paying rent. You have insurance on your car and house. You have a wife with a baby on the way. And there are so many other expenses the list could go on and on. Everyone needs a job to support themselves and a family. You are most likely retired but if you were just starting out today, how much would you work for?

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01-07-2013 05:29:08

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Your post implies that a company "owes" their employee a wage that they can live on. In truth, a company owes an employee what it feels is the value of their labor and what the employee agrees to work for. If you can't make it on your salary, don't blame your employer. Maybe you should have gotten more education or a skill instead of playing video games. Maybe you shouldn't be having babies if you can't afford it. Maybe your wife should get a job. If you don't like it, quit and go find a better job. (I'm using the rhetorical "you").
I've taken pay cuts, shorter hours all the while the owners of the company lived a pretty good life. I didn't complain, I didn't begrudge the owners what they worked for. I just bided my time, kept looking for a different job and even at over 60 was able to find one that improved my salary.
As I've told many people, either do something about your situation or shut up.
As others have said, it's just not the proverbial "greedy CEOs" who have caused US manufacturing to move offshore. It's a combination of higher onshore costs due to govt regulation, countries that want to improve their economies and subsidize their industries, efficiency in transfer of goods (container ships) and technology (computerization), people who want to make $18/hr for unskilled labor and don't understand they're competing with foreign labor that have ALL contributed to the trend.
And to answer your question, I would work for whatever I could get. When I was on a short work week, I took a part-time job for 1/3 of what I was making in my regular job and was happy to do it.

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01-06-2013 06:06:21

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I think I wasn't clear enough. If a company markets a product and minimum wage goes up that company has to raise the price of the product to cover that raise. So minimum wage increases 10%, product goes up 10%, in general cost of living goes up 10% and very shortly the minimum wage worker didn't gain anything at all from the raise and may have lost it all when costs get to the point where to compete a company moves some or all of it's operation off shore.

When we were starting out we did what we had to do TO MAKE IT. We did not have a TV, fancy car, jet ski, or 4 wheeler. I came home from work and did repairs on the old POS I was driving. The kids came first. We didn't take vacations. When I did have a "vacation" it was home to dads farm where we milked cows and butchered a steer. We didn't have this "have to have it now" mentality. I joined the Army. We didn't buy a TV until I made Sgt. Didn't buy any real toys for us grown ups until I made SSG and that was a fishing boat that the entire family could enjoy. We darn sure didn't pay for baby sitters so we could go out and party at the clubs. Sure some of my peers did and they were always having money troubles. We made sure that there was always food on the table, clothing on our backs, roof over our heads first. Were there things I wanted? Sure. Funny thing is now that I can afford em I don't want em anymore.

You ask how much an hour I can live on. What is your idea of living. Is it the basic roof/food/clothing? Or is it the jetski, 4 wheeler, new car and clubbing? OH I forgot the Iphone thing too. Just gotta have the 600 buck phone.

Gee, I'm sounding just like my dad!


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01-06-2013 17:48:06

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 Re: Is it just a matter of marketing? in reply to oldtanker, 01-06-2013 06:06:21  
I did not mention anything fancy, except the house you should be living in does not have a dirt floor. You could have put out a number unless you could not live on the $18.00 per hour. Some places in this country cost more to live in than others.

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01-07-2013 04:49:46

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 Re: Is it just a matter of marketing? in reply to JOB, 01-06-2013 17:48:06  
The difference between then and now is that when you had the equivalent of that $18.00 an hour job and needed more money you went out and got a second and 3rd job to make ends meet. Right now if someone offered me an $18.00 and hour job in the evenings I'd snap it up in a heart beat. Both my older kids work for under $12.00 a hour, one under $9.00 and get by with help. If I wasn't helping them they'd either not have car payments or they'd be driving beaters like I did and eating road kill like I did. I'm soft on them and it's my fault.

Anyway, this sense of entitlement to a high dollar job is garbage. You work and earn your way in life, no one hands you anything unless it's family. It's always been that way.

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