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Here is a post from earlier. Are the posters actions moral?

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JD Seller

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I say this in a response to another post a few pages back. There is a right way to do business and a wrong way. I feel this was wrong. So what do you guys think???

Here is the part of the post I disagree with:

"A few years ago I was at a farm auction and they sold the contents to a building and the buyer could take or leave anything in the building.I was the top bidder and had seen the mounting brackets to a loader that was to be sold later at the auction in the building so I went and loaded up the brackets and other stuff and then even went and paid for them.When the loader came up it was sold no mention of the brackets but the loader buyer asked the owner and the auctioneer about the brackets after the sale the owner said they were in the building,I was standing there and said They WERE in the building but I bought them earlier we had quite a discussion but since they were on my truck and I had a receipt it wasn't much they could do but cry about it.Finally the owner and the loader buyer bought the brackets from me.Like I told them it pays to pay attention at auctions"


I also have gotten things out for a sale where the person has lived at that place for many years. It is really a lot of work. Also if you are not familiar with everything the person had you do not know what is where and maybe what goes with what. So I guess some think it is correct to do whatever to make a little money.

If I had been the buyer of the loader and some guy tried to pull a stunt like this on me I would not have given him a single DIME for the brackets. HE could have taken them home and ate them for all I cared. I would have junked the loader before I would have rewarded his behavior.
 
No doubt the idea is lack of morality. A rare commodity at this point. Acknowledging the fact that he new about it was OK, Going and getting the parts to give to the loader owner would have been righteous. Nasty is just too easy to come by. Jim
 
Honest or greedy or moral no matter what there are some people that will not do right no matter what. But then there are what my dad would call a Sunday Christian or a yearly one. The Sunday one is in Church every Sunday but cussing up a storm on Monday
 
A couple of old cliches, what comes around goes around; you reap what you sow.
Morally right? Not in my book. Its all about the money.
 
It sure wasn't how I would have done it, but it was not my call to make. Not necessarily wrong in my book, just not my way. Probably the "best" way would be to point that out before the shed sold. Kind of like when the whites came to this country and ran into the "godless savages". The Indians just had other ways and upbringings.
That being said I grew up near a guy that was like that, just ready to be 1 step ahead of everyone. Heck of a good natured guy, but I don't really trust him even though I like him otherwise.
 
not sure singling out a poster in a new thread is proper either, however i have to say i was disappointed in his tactics.
 
Nah...wasn"t right...I couldn"t have done it anyway, I mean at the very least if the brackets were the only thing of value the buyer got in the building the Auction Company should have made it right as obviously they were asleep at the wheel during set up, or those brackets would have been with the loader.
I used to work for a Case Industrial/Kubota dealer here in the Southern Tier of NY...was at the time (no more Case as they let that contract go) the oldest single family owned Case dealership (went back to Case Ag 2 generations, a few pre war sales then a full blown dealership post war.) I had purchased a Super H that was traded in, had come in with one front wheel weight mounted and one not, the one got misplaced.
Last year after some health problems for the owner, his family decided to have an auction to clear out the antique stuff, get rid of the industrial and concentrate on Kubota. At pre inspection of the Auction I noticed that the other weight had surfaced and was on a trailer to be sold with some other weights. The Mgr mentioned before the Auction tha someone had already purchased the weight and that it was going to be removed from the pile. A highly respected Central NY Dealer pitched a fit, so I decided to do the right thing and just keep my mouth shut as I didn"t want there to appear any inpropriety by my ex employer (still on real good terms.) Said dealer proceded to purchase the whole pile of weights for $500 then offered to sell me the one front weight fr $200! LOL Well he kept the weight, you bet I ran him up on every piece of equipment he bought that day!
Still lookin" for one front IH weight if anybody has one reasonable! LOL
 
I have not named the poster. If you noticed I did not bad mouth him in any way. I just stated how I think his actions where wrong. He actually seems like he is bragging about what he did???

I did not want to cloud the original postings issue.
 
A lot of people buy things at auction for resale. That's how a lot of folks support themselves. I don't see where the guy did anything wrong. He bought the contents of the building. The loader brackets were part of the contents of the building. Everyone at the sale would have had the opportunity to see what was in the building. Everyone would have had the opportunity to see the brackets weren't with the loader. It's an auction folks. Pay attention!!!
The time to ask about the brackets was before the contents of the building and the loader sold!
Now let's say he paid more for the contents because he knew the brackets were there....knowing he could resell them for a profit. The profit motive in and of itself is not an evil thing....It takes money to live and if you're not making money to live on then you're a burden to someone else...but that's a topic for another time. Now let's say that after the fact the seller and auctioneer tried to take the loader brackets from the guy that bought them so they could give them to the guy that bought the loader. How is that right? Doesn't he deserve to be compensated for HIS loader brackets? If anyone is to blame it's the seller and auctioneer for not having the brackets with the loader. The buyer should have asked about the brackets before he bought the loader. The guy that bought the contents of the building was just a savvy auction buyer.
We don't have the whole story. He didn't say how much he sold the loader brackets for. Could be he sold them for what he paid for them, or at a modest profit. Now if he had refused to sell the loader brackets I'd say he was an A-hole. With the info provided I'd say things worked out ok. The guy that bought the loader brackets probably made a couple bucks. The guy that needed the brackets got what he needed and it looks like the seller chipped in to help make it happen. It was his screw up that caused the problem to start with.

Having said that.....I bought a couple of Sun automotive electrical testers at auction and got some manuals with them. A guy that had bought another tester said the manual that went with his tester was in my stack of manuals. I knew that if he didn't want to buy it I could sell it on ebay or one of the other forums I frequent. I chose to give it to him. Judging by his response he was expecting to have to pay for it. I like to make money as much as the next guy, but sometimes making sure something goes to a good home is good enough.
 
I took some items to a neighbors sale one time to help him have more stuff. I accidentally got my sons shutters for his H JD in with the rest of the stuff I took over. When my son found out what happened he was quite upset, he was only in the 7th grade yet at that time. I found out who the buyer was after the sale and went to his place hoping to be able to get them back. I explained what happened but he didn't much care. I had to give him more for the shutters than he paid for the whole pile he bought that they were in. What do you do? It was his but he could have seen what happened and been a little more accommodating I thought..
 
(quoted from post at 22:25:35 01/02/13) A lot of people buy things at auction for resale. That's how a lot of folks support themselves. I don't see where the guy did anything wrong. He bought the contents of the building. The loader brackets were part of the contents of the building. Everyone at the sale would have had the opportunity to see what was in the building. Everyone would have had the opportunity to see the brackets weren't with the loader. It's an auction folks. Pay attention!!!
The time to ask about the brackets was before the contents of the building and the loader sold!
Now let's say he paid more for the contents because he knew the brackets were there....knowing he could resell them for a profit. The profit motive in and of itself is not an evil thing....It takes money to live and if you're not making money to live on then you're a burden to someone else...but that's a topic for another time. Now let's say that after the fact the seller and auctioneer tried to take the loader brackets from the guy that bought them so they could give them to the guy that bought the loader. How is that right? If anyone is to blame it's the seller and auctioneer for not having the brackets with the loader. The buyer should have asked about the brackets before he bought the loader. The guy that bought the contents of the building was just a savvy auction buyer.
We don't have the whole story. He didn't say how much he sold the loader brackets for. Could be he sold them for what he paid for them, or at a modest profit. Now if he had refused to sell the loader brackets I'd say he was an A-hole. With the info provided I'd say things worked out ok. The guy that bought the loader brackets probably made a couple bucks. The guy that needed the brackets got what he needed and it looks like the seller chipped in to help make it happen. It was his screw up that caused the problem to start with.

Having said that.....I bought a couple of Sun automotive electrical testers at auction and got some manuals with them. A guy that had bought another tester said the manual that went with his tester was in my stack of manuals. I knew that if he didn't want to buy it I could sell it on ebay or one of the other forums I frequent. I chose to give it to him. Judging by his response he was expecting to have to pay for it. I like to make money as much as the next guy, but sometimes making sure something goes to a good home is good enough.
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I wouldn't be so quick to blame the buyer. I'd bet that the auctioneer stated that it came with the brackets before he started taking bids. The guy that got the contents of the building was also in the right. It was the seller/auctioneer that messed up. The seller/auctioneer should have paid the price for the brackets and given them to the buyer. The loader buyer shouldn't be punished for the screw up nor should the buyer of the building contents. I've seen auctioneers make mistakes before. All the ones I've seen got fixed right away with the auctioneer making it right because they knew it was thier fault.

Rick
 
It wasn't mentioned in the post that the auctioneer said the brackets came with the loader. In many cases the auctioneer knows little about what they sell.
The primary blame is on the seller. He knew where the brackets were but didn't put them where they should have been.
I still think the buyer shares some blame. Most items at auction are sold as-is without any warranty as to condition or completeness. That's all spelled out in the terms and conditions announcements prior to the auction.
 
(quoted from post at 05:41:38 01/03/13) I took some items to a neighbors sale one time to help him have more stuff. I accidentally got my sons shutters for his H JD in with the rest of the stuff I took over. When my son found out what happened he was quite upset, he was only in the 7th grade yet at that time. I found out who the buyer was after the sale and went to his place hoping to be able to get them back. I explained what happened but he didn't much care. I had to give him more for the shutters than he paid for the whole pile he bought that they were in. What do you do? It was his but he could have seen what happened and been a little more accommodating I thought..
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That's a tough situation. He probably bought them for resale so I understand his viewpoint. Lots of folks make some or all of their living buying and selling. If he gave them to you or even sold them for what he paid it could be taking food off his table. Just be thankful he didn't buy them to use. If I were in his shoes, knowing the parts had been a kid's, I would have made sure we came to an agreement we could all live with.
 
When there is a public auction and there is 100 disclaimers on the auction poster, auction truck, auction office trailer, every bidding number, that states everything is as is, where is, period......

If seller wants it different, get your crap in the right piles before you sell it. Not _after_ you sell it.

If you are a smart buyer, you buy what it is you are bidding on, there in front of you.

I'd look poorly on you if you were there buying a loader without brackets, so you get a deal on them - everyone _else_ quit bidding because the loader is incomplete - and now you come whining you need some free brackets along with the loader you bought for a steal?

Why should you get more than you bid on?

Bid accordingly, you are at an auction, it's this bundle, that pile, this piece. As is. Look at what is there, and bid on that.

Period.

Why should you get the brackets for free?

Dumbest thing I've heard on here in a long time.

Private sale is way different, I would see where you are coming from.

But at a public auction, you have to know the rules and bid accordingly, don't expect to get something for free! Don't work that way.

--->Paul
 

When I go to auctions its a work day,I get there at least 3 hours early I check out each and everything and make notes.At every auction I see dumb stuff done since no one hired me as a
consultant I'm free to buy or not buy as I see fit and don't owe anyone anything especially advice.During the auction I see folks BSing and not paying attention and getting stuck on items they should have looked at closer.I've bought things and resold them to people at the sale that missed them selling because they weren't paying attention.So what? I educated myself and its not up to me to use my knowledge to look out for everyone that includes buyers and the seller.No one there would pay my bills for helping them out.As for the brackets no one had to buy anything I'd of been happy to take them home and could have sold them for more than I got there.I've bought many things that were split up at auctions at cheap prices everyone there had the same opportunity as I did.
Auctions are a rough and tumble business and not for everyone the auctioneer and the seller make the rules and I go by them if they burn themselves thats their problem.Since I've probably averaged over 40 auctions a year for many years most selling out would be way ahead to hire me as a consultant.But I don't have a free Nanny Service I'll let you handle that end JD Seller(LOL)
 
I go to farm auctions for a hobby, dad took me to farm auctions when I was 5 or 6 and I've enjoyed them for a hobby ever since. Drove 1/3 of the way into Iowa this fall to go to a fun looking farm auction, didn't buy anything, just enjoy auctions, I go to many of them, by many different auctioneers.

I've never been to an auction where an auctioneer would make a casual comment like that, 'sure the brackets are included....' Never. They tell you you are bidding on what is in front of you, look it over yourself, this item, pile, pallet, but they never make sweeping casual comments like you suggest thst unseen items are included.

There have been mixups and mistakes. seen 2 different helpers are holding items and bidders don't know if one or the other or both helper's items are being sold, and so on. I see lots of mistakes and they get fixed.

Never saw an auctioneer suggest brackets that weren't right in front of us were also included with anything.

Just doesn't work that way, auctioneers know better.

As is, where is, what you see.

Every auction I've ever been to.

Can't believe someone would expect to get more than they bid on, everyone else is trying to bid fair and discount for missing parts, and some folks expect to buy cheap and get the rest thrown in for free?

--->Paul
 
This thread like some others this week reminds me of an old Greek myth "The story of Echo and Narcissus".
 
maybe so but the people lining up the sale should have had this all done before the sale, disclaimers usually say "sold whereas, as is" I'm not saying what he did was exactly ethical but he did have the grounds to do so as they should have had the brackets layed out. Auctioneers used to help with this, now they just show up , collect their commission and leave. Mst of the honest ones are dead. There aren't any around here that I would trust or further more want to give my sale to.
 
I agree with the above poster. The bidder was buying the loader without the brackets - the other bidders were also bidding knowing there weren't any brackets. The loader sold for less because the brackets were not there. Now he wants something he didn't pay for.
 
I think you saved the guy money! He was in a bad fix. New, that bracketry was probably a couple hundred, if it was even available. Used? Who would sell brackets without the loader, thus making another orphan? At the very least, he was in for a long hunt. You did him a huge favor, no question about it.
 
I generally agree with your posts JD but not this one.
Of course if you want to operate this way it is fine with me.
But I don't expect everyone to be so altruistic.
The guy bought the contents of the building.
Another guy bought the loader.
The guy who bought the contents was paying attention.
The guy who bought the loader was not.
You snooze, you lose. Simple as that.
On the other hand,
When I'm at an auction if I see something that I know belongs with something else I will try my best to bring it to the auctioneers attention BEFORE the bidding starts.
For example: At one auction there was a set of ford inner wheel weights on a pallet. On the next pallet was a bunch of misc junk that included the special wedges for the weights without which the weights are unuseable.
So I grabbed the wedges - they were all wired together - and held them up as the auctioneer started selling the pallet of junk and hollered
"Hey, These belong with the weights."
Auctioneer gave me a nod and I threw them with the weights.
Everyone around the pallets saw it all happen.
Now maybe some guy who was going to bid on the pallet of junk knew what they were and hoped to make a buck. Or maybe the next guy who was gonna bid on the weights didn't know he needed the wedges. Ultimately both pallets sold to whoever was the highest bidder.
But neither of those bidders had one iota of obligation to the other before or after the gavel went down.
None, zero, nada.
By the way, someone mentioned that a machine was sold and afterwards they sold the manual for it.
I think that is entirely appropriate.
The guy buying the machine should have paid attention or else maybe he didn't care about the manual.
Another guy might have come to the auction hoping to get just that manual. He would have hated to have to buy the machine just to get the manual.
 
If the building and its contents were sold prior to the loader, then those parts belong to the buyer of the building.

It was the fault of the auctioneer to leave those parts in the building, sell the building and all contents, then tell the other buyer his parts were in a building that had already been sold with contents.

The issue lay with the seller who misled a buyer, not the person who bought the building and contents.
 
Of all the auctions I've been too you bid on what is in front of you and the auctioneer. Not some brackets that are in another building or what not. You buy the item "as is, where is" that means what you see is what you get. The guy who bought the loader minus the brackets just wasn't paying attention and its his own fault...
 
IN that situastion... I would think that anyone wanting that loader would be there to inspect it early enough that if parts were missing... it could be brought to the attention of the auctioneer and the lot regrouped.
As far as I'm concerned... if someone buys the contents of the building, they buy the contents of the building. It's as much up to the seller to know what's being sold as it is to rely on the knowledge of the buyer. Do I buy the contents of the building only to have 100 people come looking for the parts of the things they need because the auctioneer didn't correctly group the pieces?

Rod
 
Heres a little different twist on this,what if the buyer of the brackets had needed just them and not the loader for his own tractor?. Would he then have been justified in your mind of buying them seperate? It really goes both ways. And ive been in both situations,or on both sides of the fence so to speak. I know many folks around here who make a living from these sales,and in fact i rarely go a week without going to at least one sale myself. I personaly wouldnt have charged the guy for the brackets, but i would have expected my money back (if i didnt need them). But I dont question the ethics of a man who makes his living selling these parts. 99% of the time i have a buyer in mind when i buy a piece,and normaly i dont make any money when they buy it from me. freinds and aquantances simply let me know if they are hunting something and if i run accross one i'll buy it. But buisness is something else, if i were in that buisness i certainly would want to make a profit. TO ME, this is no difference whatsoever in a parts man buying a part from a distributor and reselling it to the public. As a parts man am i morally obligated to sell that part for say a jd tractor to a man for a lower price simply because he owns a tractor it fits? You CAN have morals and ethics, and a profitable buisness also. Would it have been morally or ethicaly right for the man who bought the loader ,to simply walk in the barn and take the brackets knowing someone else had bought them? the door swings both ways, on these deals. ITS not neccessarily morally/ethicaly right or wrong.Its simply buisness, and a buisnesses one reason for existing is to make money. in fact, theres plenty of folks who would argue that if a buisness doesnt make money,that in itself is morally and ethicaly wrong! the good book defines this pretty well, it says render unto Ceaser that which is Ceasers, and that which is gods to god. In other words keep your buisness seperate. buisness is not moraly or ethicaly right or wrong,only the people doing it has the right to decide. any one else is simply a judge,looking on.
 
I was a auction for a friend of mine this past summer I saw an Item in the sale that was not to be in the auction I bought it and gave it back to him. Same auction I bought a 2390 Case without the manual, the manual was sold in another ring. The fellow who bought it came by and ask if I needed the repair manual, I offered $20 and he accepted he had paid $40 for a lot of repair manuals, we both won as if I had been in the other ring we would have had a bidding war.
 
My take is it has less to do with what transpired and more to do with him bragging about how he "got" someone, and how he knew he was gonna "get" someone. BUT, you never know, the buyer of the loader may be bragging about how good a deal he got on the loader because it was incomplete.

Had I been at the sale "3 hours early, taking notes" (I never am. If I'm lucky, I'll get there 20 minutes late), I would have brought it to the attention of the auctioneer or the seller that these items should be together. I do it every time I'm at a sale and see something wrong.

I bought my tablesaw at a sale. It was missing the motor, so I got it at a price I thought I could live with after buying a motor. Being late, I had not looked over the junk wagons. Low and behold, there sat the motor. I found the auctioneer on his break, told him about the motor and said he should resell the saw with the motor. He told me to forget it and take the motor as well, he wasn't gonna rerun it.

Yeah, it's the bragging that got my attention on that post.
 
Heres another thing to consider in this particular case. Ive bought 7-8 new loaders over the years for different tractors. NONE of those loaders came with brackets to fit any particular tractor. I had to buy seperately the brackets to adapt the loader to my tractor. In this case ,technicaly, the brackets were NOT neccesarily a part of the loader itself. Now, if the auctioneer had sold a loader to fit a "specific" tractor you might expect it to bolt on. But if it simply was sold as a generic loader only the brackets often dont go with it originaly.
 
(quoted from post at 07:30:11 01/03/13) I generally agree with your posts JD but not this one.
Of course if you want to operate this way it is fine with me.
But I don't expect everyone to be so altruistic.
The guy bought the contents of the building.
Another guy bought the loader.
The guy who bought the contents was paying attention.
The guy who bought the loader was not.
You snooze, you lose. Simple as that.
On the other hand,
When I'm at an auction if I see something that I know belongs with something else I will try my best to bring it to the auctioneers attention BEFORE the bidding starts.
For example: At one auction there was a set of ford inner wheel weights on a pallet. On the next pallet was a bunch of misc junk that included the special wedges for the weights without which the weights are unuseable.
So I grabbed the wedges - they were all wired together - and held them up as the auctioneer started selling the pallet of junk and hollered
"Hey, These belong with the weights."
Auctioneer gave me a nod and I threw them with the weights.
Everyone around the pallets saw it all happen.
Now maybe some guy who was going to bid on the pallet of junk knew what they were and hoped to make a buck. Or maybe the next guy who was gonna bid on the weights didn't know he needed the wedges. Ultimately both pallets sold to whoever was the highest bidder.
But neither of those bidders had one iota of obligation to the other before or after the gavel went down.
None, zero, nada.
By the way, someone mentioned that a machine was sold and afterwards they sold the manual for it.
I think that is entirely appropriate.
The guy buying the machine should have paid attention or else maybe he didn't care about the manual.
Another guy might have come to the auction hoping to get just that manual. He would have hated to have to buy the machine just to get the manual.
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ULTRADOG.. I have not always but after reading your post above i now have an all new respect for you.. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
 
I'll tell you though,when you book an auction,it's SELLER BEWARE. There are auctioneers who specialize in different type of auctions. I've seen people with a few antiques in a building get an auctioneer who specializes in antiques while the bulk of what they have to sell should be sold by an auctioneer who specializes in farm equipment. Then they take a bath on the entire sale because of just a few pieces. If you're going to disperse a lifetime acumulation,do your homework and get an auctioneer who knows the stuff you're selling.
Whatever it is,an antique sale,a farm sale,if it's the right auctioneer for what you have,they won't make mistakes like that. They'll send their people in ahead of time to make sure things are sorted and where they should be.
 
One guy used his knowledge to make money for himself.

One guy used his knowledge to potentially make more money for the prospective seller and auctioneer.

Don't think one is a nanny or the other is immoral based on either description. Both seem pretty good at name calling though.
 
a note to all future farm widows....mind your p's and q's when your lining up the equipment for the sale, there's lots of scum looking for mistakes they can take advantage of.
 
I agree with you. Was ok with the story until the part about removing the brackets and going to pay for them during the auction. He knew something was up. Been many a time I showed auctioneers that certain parts went with other equipment. As far as manuals, I've got close to a grand worth, and I'd make sure any of mine went with the correct machine, and only extras would go into an auction box.
 
proper or not, i'm glad now you brought it up. some of these replys by some of these posters i wouldn't have ever believed if i hadn't of read it.
 
Good point Jack. I needed a part for my JD loader. I know a local guy who makes his living buying and selling equipment, and I asked him to keep an eye out for the part I needed, but I figured it would be impossible to find just that one part. A couple weeks later he called me - said he had what I needed, but he had to buy the whole loader. I'm a cheapskate and could visualize a couple hundred bucks, but he said he got it cheap - my price was $40, picked up at his place. You see - he bought it without the brackets. . .
 
you have missed the entire point. the problem here is someone noticing a mistake at some fella's auction and profiting from it. yea, the guy that bought the loader was dumb... has nothing to do with it. yea, the auctioneer was dumb... has nothing to do with it.
 
you may go to 40 auctions a yr slick, but that farm sale you went to, i bet that was the first auction of their life. dramatic times for regular people and you (and apparently many others) go looking for mistakes. alot of you aren't who i thought you were. (this is the internet though)
 
scum? because you buy one pile, and someone later needs a piece/part out of that pile? ive sold a thousand pieces just the same way. gave away a thousand more. this happens every auction,you wont find very many folks who can look at every part ever produced and tell you what it fits. but a man looking for one often will recognize it. and they have the option also of beating your bid to get it. the majority of the time when i sell a piece they simply dont want to pay enough to buy the whole pile,or dont want to deal with the other.
 
I can't see questioning the mans morals because he made a dollar in a free market transaction. Your argument in this case is treading close to the people who think successful people and the wealthy should be villianized and that it is ''unfair'' when one person works harder or applies himself more to gain a better result. I don't understand people that are envious of other peoples success.
 
(quoted from post at 14:43:57 01/03/13) I can't see questioning the mans morals because he made a dollar in a free market transaction. Your argument in this case is treading close to the people who think successful people and the wealthy should be villianized and that it is ''unfair'' when one person works harder or applies himself more to gain a better result. I don't understand people that are envious of other peoples success.
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Yep!
And it appears from some comments in this thread that demonizing sucess is starting to gain support among suprising groups. :twisted:
 
I don't see a problem here. It's the "You need it. I got it. It's the only one around." situation. That was bad on the seller/auctioneer to not put the brackets with the loader. Would have made it worth more if everything was there at the point of sale...
 
Had the shoe not been on the other foot... do you think the auction company or the seller would not profit from your mistake as a buyer?
I know the answer to that one... of course they would.

Rod
 
(quoted from post at 18:12:28 01/03/13) you have missed the entire point. the problem here is someone noticing a mistake at some fella's auction and profiting from it. yea, the guy that bought the loader was dumb... has nothing to do with it. yea, the auctioneer was dumb... has nothing to do with it.
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Consider it the cost of education for the seller.
Now consider this...sometimes at auctions, especially estate auctions, the goal of the seller is to dispose of "stuff". Sometimes the survivors have gone through and gotten everything they want and they just want the rest of the stuff gone. This type of sale can be a real mess with parts that belong with one item scattered in with several lots. It looks like you want everyone to be an auction nanny and to inform the seller they should reorganize their sale. If they really cared they would have set it up correctly or hired someone knowledgeable to do so.
Back to the sale where the loader brackets weren't with the loader. If you go back and read about it again you'll see that [b:2134db8fc8]the seller knew the loader brackets were in the building and not with the loader as they should have been.[/b:2134db8fc8] It seems like you think TF should have demanded the seller put the brackets with the loader.
Here's something else to think about.....auctioneers will often put a part of one item in with a lot that would otherwise have little value. That's a way to squeak out a few more dollars from the buyers. Think of the possibilities if the sale order had been different. They could have sold the loader without the brackets then when the got to the building they could have announced the loader brackets were in there but you'd have to bid on the contents to get them. The guy that bought the loader would then have to bid against someone that needed something totally different....or maybe they both needed the brackets. Stuff like this does happen.
I know an auctioneer that starts off every sale by offering "choice" of any item in the sale. One bidder could be bidding on a Jeep, a second bidder going for a boat and another shooting for a tractor. These are just some of the tricks auctioneers and sellers use to make more money.
I once saw a guy buy 10 or 12 lots of mostly junk to get all the parts for an 18HP B&S engine.
TF didn't do anything immoral. It's not like he stashed the brackets in the building.
 
the seller may have just forgot and then just remembered when the subject came up (likely), or tf had no idea the seller was a schemer too when he started his scheming. so no justification.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:05 01/03/13)
(quoted from post at 18:12:28 01/03/13) you have missed the entire point. the problem here is someone noticing a mistake at some fella's auction and profiting from it. yea, the guy that bought the loader was dumb... has nothing to do with it. yea, the auctioneer was dumb... has nothing to do with it.
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Consider it the cost of education for the seller.
Now consider this...sometimes at auctions, especially estate auctions, the goal of the seller is to dispose of "stuff". Sometimes the survivors have gone through and gotten everything they want and they just want the rest of the stuff gone. This type of sale can be a real mess with parts that belong with one item scattered in with several lots. It looks like you want everyone to be an auction nanny and to inform the seller they should reorganize their sale. If they really cared they would have set it up correctly or hired someone knowledgeable to do so.
Back to the sale where the loader brackets weren't with the loader. If you go back and read about it again you'll see that [b:4b3a7804ce]the seller knew the loader brackets were in the building and not with the loader as they should have been.[/b:4b3a7804ce] It seems like you think TF should have demanded the seller put the brackets with the loader.
Here's something else to think about.....auctioneers will often put a part of one item in with a lot that would otherwise have little value. That's a way to squeak out a few more dollars from the buyers. Think of the possibilities if the sale order had been different. They could have sold the loader without the brackets then when the got to the building they could have announced the loader brackets were in there but you'd have to bid on the contents to get them. The guy that bought the loader would then have to bid against someone that needed something totally different....or maybe they both needed the brackets. Stuff like this does happen.
I know an auctioneer that starts off every sale by offering "choice" of any item in the sale. One bidder could be bidding on a Jeep, a second bidder going for a boat and another shooting for a tractor. These are just some of the tricks auctioneers and sellers use to make more money.
I once saw a guy buy 10 or 12 lots of mostly junk to get all the parts for an 18HP B&S engine.
TF didn't do anything immoral. It's not like he stashed the brackets in the building.
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Local auctioneer has a tendency to add pallets of junk together to get a bid. Now he states you have to "remove" everything or you will get billed for what you leave behind. Don't know if they have ever followed thru with the threats....
 
Well guys I guess many of you did not get the impression I got of this deal. I have no problem with making money on the resale of items. I like to be around successfully MORAL people. I hate to be around those that would sell their mothers gold teeth for a dollar just to make money or be their version of successful.

The thing that stood out to me about Traditional Farmer's actions where that he knew he was doing something that would more than likely cause a problem later in the sale. Why else did he rush to pay for the brackets early and have them loaded in his truck so quickly. HE KNEW he was pulling something.

Traditional Farmer thinks he is an EXPERT at auctions. I am willing to bet that there are guys that lay low for him at sales and just spike things to make him not get deals or run them up on him.

What you do in life is usually returned on you ten fold.
 
yes that was the message, but it was a secret message! just trying to cue you in on my new finacial philosophy of no profit and you go and blurt it out to everyone.
i'm kidding,...it's not a new philosophy.
 
JD- pretty much what I said in another response to you....no problem until he loaded and paid for the merchandise before the end of the sale......knew something might happen, and the fish started to smell. Granted, I had a previous, not too positive opinion about him, but this one just locked it in........I know who I would love to have as a neighbor! Like so many others say- JD! I moved here 40 years ago, started farming from scratch after military and college..not my home area..remember hearing scuttlebutt from the next door lady....she said finally we have nice neighbors! Always appreciated that, always tried my best to never let her down. I figure, if you want nice neighbors, you gotta be one! Done a couple plowing/baling things for laid up neighbors.....never is it work....it's just right, and fun! But, especially, just what is right! Like what your family is doing for your friends.
 
BTW, JD.....better half and I planned to go to FLA last winter, coming back thru NO, first trip ever thru that area, about the 4th after 30 years of dairy farming...her breast cancer issue precluded my hip replacement....TG she's cancer-free now......I also wanted to meet 'thurlow' while headed to Ft. Bragg, NC, where SIL serves, while our daughter is in Afghanistan. Hope to make the trip this winter. Both of you impress me so much... would like to meet....email open.
 
yea, wish i woulda said "misguided people" or something. anyway, nothing in your post describes actions similar to those in question.
 
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