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Re: US census of Agriculture

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Mike (WA)

12-28-2012 02:06:16
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Interesting to see everyone's defiance about the ag census- I'm assuming none of you accept any farm program or subsidy money. . .




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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:11:21
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Mike (WA), 12-28-2012 02:06:16  
I don't and never have gotten farm welfare in my opinion the Gov't needs to get out of fiddling with farming 100% and let those that want to farm keep on farming and those that want Gov't money just go ahead and get on welfare it'd be alot cheaper for the taxpayers and farmers like myself would be much better off not having to compete with the subsidized crowd.



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Hemihead

12-28-2012 10:02:17
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:11:21  
The country would starve if all farmers were like you.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:41:42
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:11:21  
Explain to how me how subsidized crops threaten your well being? I am not defending subsidies but the price supports of old are not even affecting prices anymore. It is the board of trade. For example the target price on corn used to be $3.03 in the early 80's dropping to $2.73 and then being phased out with direct payments. Corn loan rates are around $1.82 which used to be a price floor when we had $2.00 corn but again it doesn't affect the price anymore. If the gov. is to get out of argriculture do you also want them to halt federal meat and food inspections and soil conversation efforts?

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MF Poor

12-28-2012 06:39:03
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 05:41:42  
You're wasting your time trying to talk common sense with this clown. In his mind (assuming he actually has one) everything is a giant government conspiracy, the world is out to get him, and his little 1/2-acre patch of weed infested sweet corn makes him the voice of American agriculture. It will never cease to amaze me to what extent morons will go to prove to the world just what a moron they really are.

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Old Iron

12-28-2012 08:08:24
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 06:39:03  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

Aw c'mon now MF Poor, you are better than that.
I know that for a fact,... because I full heartedly agree with you on politics in general.

You (like me) ARE a "conservative" at heart,... why you defend gov programs and call fellow conservatives (like Traditional Farmer) "morons", goes completely against your (otherwise) common sense on other political matters.

The money given to farmers through these (taxpayer-funded) programs, are NO DIFFERENT than the money given to the auto-industries in the form of "bail-outs", the only difference between the two, is that the farm program's money is dribbled out to farmers individually and on a more "personal level".

Failing auto-makers AND failing farmers, SHOULD be allowed to fall by the wayside. Otherwise we're darn sure going to wind up as a socialist country.

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bobbyboywestcentIN

12-28-2012 09:41:02
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 08:33:56  
what's prudent IS to somehow convince folks like YOU to quit farming. WHOOPS, dream world!



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bobbyboywestcentIN

12-28-2012 09:47:51
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to bobbyboywestcentIN, 12-28-2012 09:41:02  
on topic... kind of a pain, but i always do census.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 07:02:10
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 06:39:03  
You fellows can't stand the truth and no conspiracy as all I'm saying is public record much to the chagrin of many of those getting the Welfare.
Probably have a bigger farming operation than 90% of those on here and I'll still be in it when the Gov't $$$ well runs dry.



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Hemihead

12-28-2012 15:53:24
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 07:02:10  
Having a bigger operation than 90% an this site doesn't mean much.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:22:37
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 07:02:10  
What do you know about "the truth"? Most of what you blabber on and on about is simply nonsense. Just because you don't/can't/aren't capable of understand(ing) something, that alone doesn't mean it's wrong....It just means you don't/can't/aren't capable of understanding.... Go back to your 1/2-acre sweet corn patch and pretend you're a farmer. The guys in the white coats will be there soon to throw the net over you.

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:51:03
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 05:41:42  
Gov't Soil Conservation programs are a scam and yes get the Gov't out of all inspections programs,let private companies do it instead of some overpaid Gov't Bureaucrat

If Mcdonalds was getting 50 cents for every hamburger it sold from the Gov't and Burger King was getting no Burger Welfare don't you think that would put Burger King at a competitive disadvantage?



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IaGary

12-28-2012 06:06:50
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:51:03  
If Burger King didn"t take the 50 cents when they are allowed to it would be pretty stupid on there part wouldn"t it.

So take the handouts like the rest of us and stop complaining.

If you don"t want the handouts thats fine but don"t give the guys heck for taking something that they are allowed.

Do I think we should be getting a direct payment at this time? NO

If they offer it I may as well though.

Gary

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:13:30
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-28-2012 06:06:50  
I guess you get Food Stamps too? How about housing assistance? No I don't want a Gov't handout to make a living.My opinion is if I can't make it farming,plumbing,mechanic etc its not up to the taxpayers to support me I need to find something I can make a living at.
The attitude "Get what You can from the Gov't" is why we're almost 17 Trillion in debt and going farther in the hole every year.



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IaGary

12-28-2012 06:48:18
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:13:30  
In the 80's I was told by my accountant that I qualified for free meals at school for my 4 daughters.

I did not take it.

I commend you for making it through the 80's without the handouts. If it weren't for the handouts in the 80's many more would have been done farming than what there were. I was 30 years old had 4 kids and trying to hang on. Had to take the money. To be ready for another run like the 80's you have to stay with the programs or you could lose out big time.

Where were you through the 80's?

Again I will say not to take something offered to you when can is a bit foolish.

I have to farm and work to get my handouts.

The ones on welfare and food stamps can do nothing and still get them. I also pay more in income tax every year than the handouts I recieve.

You do know the the food stamps and school lunch program is over 80% of the money doled out in the farm bill.

Gary

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 07:12:30
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-28-2012 06:48:18  
I'd say the Gov't with their "Fence row to fence row" nonsense was the cause of most of the problems in the 80's suckers took the bait and got trapped.Do you really think Gov't involvement in farming has really helped helped farmers overall thru the years? I don't think so and the reason I say so is the farmers in my area that have come and gone usually thru bankruptcy were the ones big into the Gov't loans and programs the ones that have been able to hang on in tough times and do really well in good times have been
those that have no association or very little with the Gov't.At any rate its a Moot Point as the lawyers say as the $$$$ from the Gov't will run out in the not too distant future one way or the other.

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IaGary

12-28-2012 07:42:53
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 07:12:30  
You never said what position you were in in the 80's?

Gary



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dboll

12-28-2012 06:10:56
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-28-2012 06:06:50  
Gary, Thats the thinking I have. Theres alot of money going to people that don't need it. I don't get much but it helps pay a bill or two recirculating through the economy.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:19:42
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 06:10:56  
It would have been much better for that money to have stayed with the productive person that originally earned it and not for the Gov't to have confiscated it from them, then taken about 50% and then given the rest to you because you were to lazy or inept to make your own money.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:55:04
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:51:03  
How are terraces, catch basins, grassed water ways, tree shelter belts, ect. a scam? I have a cow herd. I get no subsidies for my cattle. What the H are you talking about?



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 04:26:06
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Mike (WA), 12-28-2012 02:06:16  
Exactly.

Mike, although everybody seems to be suffering from temporary illiteracy when it comes to filling out the ag census, I'll bet they recover just fine when it's time to sign up for their favorite subsidy program. And of course our conspiracy theorists have no problem cashing the checks they receive from the UN henchmen at the USDA. Ha!



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:21:57
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-28-2012 04:26:06  
You're right anyone that takes their $$$$ is then owned by the USDA and has the obligation to do their bidding. These folks that take Gov't $$$ and then say its none of the Gov't business what they're doing are full of Horse Poop.I'm a taxpayer and whoever takes my $$$ thru the Gov't
just made their business MY business.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:46:30
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:21:57  
So you are a fine outstanding citizen that doesn't accept any gov. money. Do you drive on public roads? They are subsidized. I think I know who is full of horse crap!



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:55:16
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 05:46:30  
Everyone that drives a car or truck,buys license tags etc is paying their way on paying for public roads.Unlike those that drive tractors on them I might add.And the differnce is use of public roads is open to everyone all can use them so all get a benefit from them but in the case of Farm Welfare its only available to a few but all the taxpayers pony up the $$$$.



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dboll

12-28-2012 06:03:18
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:55:16  
Well then you better write your congressman and tell them you want some changes, NOW! License tags are a state thing, there federal funds subsidizing our roads, who inspects meat so that it is legal to sell? I am wondering what farming practices make you a "Traditional Farmer"?



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:08:24
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 06:03:18  
Last I heard there is a Federal and state tax on gas and diesel for on road use which finances the road system and most highways in the US are state maintained anyway.
Not excepting Farm Welfare makes me a REAL Farmer
not a Ward of the State.



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dboll-traditional farmer

12-28-2012 06:23:41
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:08:24  
next time you get sick from food that wasn't inspected (because you didn't want any gov. money in ag)let us know so we can laugh at you, you still haven't told us about your "traditional farm", I think I have one of those "traditional farms" too, I raise many of the same things my dad did,corn, soybeans, oats (no flax anymore though) I make hay off my waterways and hay fields to feed the cows. I guess after thinking about it except for some newer machinery and some new technology, many things are similar to what they were when I grew up so I guess I am a traditional farmer also!

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:36:15
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll-traditional farmer, 12-28-2012 06:23:41  
I guess you're one of those hyphenated folks
Ward of the State-Farmer



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 05:28:24
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:21:57  
You may be a decent farmer, but you're a lousy businessman.



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Truth be known......

12-28-2012 06:45:42
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-28-2012 05:28:24  
He isn't even a farmer.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:56:19
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Truth be known......, 12-28-2012 06:45:42  
I guess having beef cattle,raising a variety of crops and owning/leasing/renting about 1000 acres of land doesn't make me a real farmer? Or does not taking Gov't handouts not make me a real farmer.?
Actually there are alot of farmers in my area that don't take any Gov't $$$.The ones that do take Gov't money are split between the Millionaires milking the Gov't and folks that can't make it farming and probably should be working for McDonalds.

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Hemihead

12-28-2012 15:45:43
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:56:19  
Wow,1000 acres farmed with a Wheel Horse and an Iseki.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:36:20
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:56:19  
1000 acres! Now that's some funny stuff right there! 1000 acres! That's a lot of carpet farming sonny!



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 06:52:53
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Truth be known......, 12-28-2012 06:45:42  
Hey, that's not fair! For all we know, TF raises up a beautiful crop of sensimilla. But he can't figure out how to cash in on government subsidies for his hemp crop.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:58:40
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-28-2012 06:52:53  
If it were legal I'd raise it and let fellows like you smoke it.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:39:19
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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:58:40  
Yeah, letting facts speak for themselves, you seem more like the meth and heroine type.



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