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US census of Agriculture

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Larry NEIL

12-27-2012 18:20:26




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1st one I ever got, and for my small hay acerage of 30 acres it seems hardly worth it . Especially since I only sold about 40 bales and made a grand total of 950 bales all year due to the drought.
Is everybody gettin one this year? Sure is a nosey dern form to fill out...think it asks how many pennys, nickels, dimes and quarters are in yer front pockets!




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Edd in KY

12-28-2012 15:13:12




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
How do you expect our governmemt to make logical, rational and informed decisions if you refuse to give them the facts and information?

Every good business does surveys, research and customer tracking in order to make better decisions. The government should too.

I am amazed at some of the attitudes on this subject. You want good government, then act responsible. That commie behind every tree thinking went out in the '50's, when Senator Joe McCarthy made such a fool of himself and a bunch of other sheep that followed him.

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oldtanker

12-29-2012 07:13:21




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Edd in KY, 12-28-2012 15:13:12  
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The Government making logical, rational and informed decisions???? When did that start happening? Not in my life time!

MF, sense when did the farmer make food more expensive? When the farmers band together and we demand a certain price for our product then we will influence the end cost. The only way we make any difference is if we over produce as a group or have massive failures resulting in shortages. Everyone I know sells 1. when they have to (need money, out of storage or no storage ECT) or 2. when they think the market has peaked or 3. when thier contract demands they deliver.

Some of you guys should leave the ridicule at home. Some of us can see through the smoke screen and know when you ridicule it's because you have run out of decent arguements and hope that by ridiculing they will go away.

As far as taking it just cause it's there.....guy once said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". If more people whould follow that our government would save billions.

Rick

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rrlund

12-28-2012 07:17:11




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I got mine yesterday. If they want any more than the Reader Digest version from me,they're gonna be out of luck.



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Jocco

12-28-2012 06:19:32




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
If it did not come registered mail, prove i recieved this thing!!!! With all the caller id i doubt people will answer "strange" numbers. If so maybe start talking in Polish or japaneses.



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Hogleg

12-28-2012 05:53:55




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
You can fill it out online, and when you say no to a category, it skips to the next section. Simple.
For the expense questions on equipment, I just estimated based on last years numbers.
Was done in less than 10 min.
I have 40 acres with 28 in timber, so not a BTO for sure...

John



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TWheat

12-28-2012 03:30:36




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
They used to state that the AG. Census could not be shared with ?other? gov. agencies. When I quit farming and quit attaching a Sch. F, I quit getting the Ag. Census. But my farmall SA tractors still run good.



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Mike (WA)

12-28-2012 02:06:16




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
Interesting to see everyone's defiance about the ag census- I'm assuming none of you accept any farm program or subsidy money. . .



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:11:21




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Mike (WA), 12-28-2012 02:06:16  
I don't and never have gotten farm welfare in my opinion the Gov't needs to get out of fiddling with farming 100% and let those that want to farm keep on farming and those that want Gov't money just go ahead and get on welfare it'd be alot cheaper for the taxpayers and farmers like myself would be much better off not having to compete with the subsidized crowd.



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Hemihead

12-28-2012 10:02:17




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:11:21  
The country would starve if all farmers were like you.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:41:42




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:11:21  
Explain to how me how subsidized crops threaten your well being? I am not defending subsidies but the price supports of old are not even affecting prices anymore. It is the board of trade. For example the target price on corn used to be $3.03 in the early 80's dropping to $2.73 and then being phased out with direct payments. Corn loan rates are around $1.82 which used to be a price floor when we had $2.00 corn but again it doesn't affect the price anymore. If the gov. is to get out of argriculture do you also want them to halt federal meat and food inspections and soil conversation efforts?

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MF Poor

12-28-2012 06:39:03




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 05:41:42  
You're wasting your time trying to talk common sense with this clown. In his mind (assuming he actually has one) everything is a giant government conspiracy, the world is out to get him, and his little 1/2-acre patch of weed infested sweet corn makes him the voice of American agriculture. It will never cease to amaze me to what extent morons will go to prove to the world just what a moron they really are.

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Old Iron

12-28-2012 08:08:24




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 06:39:03  
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Aw c'mon now MF Poor, you are better than that.
I know that for a fact,... because I full heartedly agree with you on politics in general.

You (like me) ARE a "conservative" at heart,... why you defend gov programs and call fellow conservatives (like Traditional Farmer) "morons", goes completely against your (otherwise) common sense on other political matters.

The money given to farmers through these (taxpayer-funded) programs, are NO DIFFERENT than the money given to the auto-industries in the form of "bail-outs", the only difference between the two, is that the farm program's money is dribbled out to farmers individually and on a more "personal level".

Failing auto-makers AND failing farmers, SHOULD be allowed to fall by the wayside. Otherwise we're darn sure going to wind up as a socialist country.

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bobbyboywestcentIN

12-28-2012 09:41:02




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 08:33:56  
what's prudent IS to somehow convince folks like YOU to quit farming. WHOOPS, dream world!



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bobbyboywestcentIN

12-28-2012 09:47:51




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to bobbyboywestcentIN, 12-28-2012 09:41:02  
on topic... kind of a pain, but i always do census.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 07:02:10




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to MF Poor, 12-28-2012 06:39:03  
You fellows can't stand the truth and no conspiracy as all I'm saying is public record much to the chagrin of many of those getting the Welfare.
Probably have a bigger farming operation than 90% of those on here and I'll still be in it when the Gov't $$$ well runs dry.



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Hemihead

12-28-2012 15:53:24




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 07:02:10  
Having a bigger operation than 90% an this site doesn't mean much.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:22:37




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 07:02:10  
What do you know about "the truth"? Most of what you blabber on and on about is simply nonsense. Just because you don't/can't/aren't capable of understand(ing) something, that alone doesn't mean it's wrong....It just means you don't/can't/aren't capable of understanding.... Go back to your 1/2-acre sweet corn patch and pretend you're a farmer. The guys in the white coats will be there soon to throw the net over you.

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:51:03




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to dboll, 12-28-2012 05:41:42  
Gov't Soil Conservation programs are a scam and yes get the Gov't out of all inspections programs,let private companies do it instead of some overpaid Gov't Bureaucrat

If Mcdonalds was getting 50 cents for every hamburger it sold from the Gov't and Burger King was getting no Burger Welfare don't you think that would put Burger King at a competitive disadvantage?



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IaGary

12-28-2012 06:06:50




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:51:03  
If Burger King didn"t take the 50 cents when they are allowed to it would be pretty stupid on there part wouldn"t it.

So take the handouts like the rest of us and stop complaining.

If you don"t want the handouts thats fine but don"t give the guys heck for taking something that they are allowed.

Do I think we should be getting a direct payment at this time? NO

If they offer it I may as well though.

Gary

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:13:30




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-28-2012 06:06:50  
I guess you get Food Stamps too? How about housing assistance? No I don't want a Gov't handout to make a living.My opinion is if I can't make it farming,plumbing,mechanic etc its not up to the taxpayers to support me I need to find something I can make a living at.
The attitude "Get what You can from the Gov't" is why we're almost 17 Trillion in debt and going farther in the hole every year.



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IaGary

12-28-2012 06:48:18




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:13:30  
In the 80's I was told by my accountant that I qualified for free meals at school for my 4 daughters.

I did not take it.

I commend you for making it through the 80's without the handouts. If it weren't for the handouts in the 80's many more would have been done farming than what there were. I was 30 years old had 4 kids and trying to hang on. Had to take the money. To be ready for another run like the 80's you have to stay with the programs or you could lose out big time.

Where were you through the 80's?

Again I will say not to take something offered to you when can is a bit foolish.

I have to farm and work to get my handouts.

The ones on welfare and food stamps can do nothing and still get them. I also pay more in income tax every year than the handouts I recieve.

You do know the the food stamps and school lunch program is over 80% of the money doled out in the farm bill.

Gary

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 07:12:30




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-28-2012 06:48:18  
I'd say the Gov't with their "Fence row to fence row" nonsense was the cause of most of the problems in the 80's suckers took the bait and got trapped.Do you really think Gov't involvement in farming has really helped helped farmers overall thru the years? I don't think so and the reason I say so is the farmers in my area that have come and gone usually thru bankruptcy were the ones big into the Gov't loans and programs the ones that have been able to hang on in tough times and do really well in good times have been
those that have no association or very little with the Gov't.At any rate its a Moot Point as the lawyers say as the $$$$ from the Gov't will run out in the not too distant future one way or the other.

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IaGary

12-28-2012 07:42:53




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You never said what position you were in in the 80's?

Gary



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dboll

12-28-2012 06:10:56




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Gary, Thats the thinking I have. Theres alot of money going to people that don't need it. I don't get much but it helps pay a bill or two recirculating through the economy.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:19:42




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It would have been much better for that money to have stayed with the productive person that originally earned it and not for the Gov't to have confiscated it from them, then taken about 50% and then given the rest to you because you were to lazy or inept to make your own money.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:55:04




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:51:03  
How are terraces, catch basins, grassed water ways, tree shelter belts, ect. a scam? I have a cow herd. I get no subsidies for my cattle. What the H are you talking about?



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 04:26:06




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Mike (WA), 12-28-2012 02:06:16  
Exactly.

Mike, although everybody seems to be suffering from temporary illiteracy when it comes to filling out the ag census, I'll bet they recover just fine when it's time to sign up for their favorite subsidy program. And of course our conspiracy theorists have no problem cashing the checks they receive from the UN henchmen at the USDA. Ha!



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:21:57




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You're right anyone that takes their $$$$ is then owned by the USDA and has the obligation to do their bidding. These folks that take Gov't $$$ and then say its none of the Gov't business what they're doing are full of Horse Poop.I'm a taxpayer and whoever takes my $$$ thru the Gov't
just made their business MY business.



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dboll

12-28-2012 05:46:30




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 05:21:57  
So you are a fine outstanding citizen that doesn't accept any gov. money. Do you drive on public roads? They are subsidized. I think I know who is full of horse crap!



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:55:16




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Everyone that drives a car or truck,buys license tags etc is paying their way on paying for public roads.Unlike those that drive tractors on them I might add.And the differnce is use of public roads is open to everyone all can use them so all get a benefit from them but in the case of Farm Welfare its only available to a few but all the taxpayers pony up the $$$$.



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dboll

12-28-2012 06:03:18




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Well then you better write your congressman and tell them you want some changes, NOW! License tags are a state thing, there federal funds subsidizing our roads, who inspects meat so that it is legal to sell? I am wondering what farming practices make you a "Traditional Farmer"?



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:08:24




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Last I heard there is a Federal and state tax on gas and diesel for on road use which finances the road system and most highways in the US are state maintained anyway.
Not excepting Farm Welfare makes me a REAL Farmer
not a Ward of the State.



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dboll-traditional farmer

12-28-2012 06:23:41




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Traditional Farmer, 12-28-2012 06:08:24  
next time you get sick from food that wasn't inspected (because you didn't want any gov. money in ag)let us know so we can laugh at you, you still haven't told us about your "traditional farm", I think I have one of those "traditional farms" too, I raise many of the same things my dad did,corn, soybeans, oats (no flax anymore though) I make hay off my waterways and hay fields to feed the cows. I guess after thinking about it except for some newer machinery and some new technology, many things are similar to what they were when I grew up so I guess I am a traditional farmer also!

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:36:15




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I guess you're one of those hyphenated folks
Ward of the State-Farmer



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 05:28:24




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You may be a decent farmer, but you're a lousy businessman.



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Truth be known......

12-28-2012 06:45:42




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He isn't even a farmer.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:56:19




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I guess having beef cattle,raising a variety of crops and owning/leasing/renting about 1000 acres of land doesn't make me a real farmer? Or does not taking Gov't handouts not make me a real farmer.?
Actually there are alot of farmers in my area that don't take any Gov't $$$.The ones that do take Gov't money are split between the Millionaires milking the Gov't and folks that can't make it farming and probably should be working for McDonalds.

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Hemihead

12-28-2012 15:45:43




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Wow,1000 acres farmed with a Wheel Horse and an Iseki.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:36:20




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1000 acres! Now that's some funny stuff right there! 1000 acres! That's a lot of carpet farming sonny!



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MarkB_MI

12-28-2012 06:52:53




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Truth be known......, 12-28-2012 06:45:42  
Hey, that's not fair! For all we know, TF raises up a beautiful crop of sensimilla. But he can't figure out how to cash in on government subsidies for his hemp crop.



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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 06:58:40




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If it were legal I'd raise it and let fellows like you smoke it.



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MF Poor

12-28-2012 08:39:19




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Yeah, letting facts speak for themselves, you seem more like the meth and heroine type.



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Dick2

12-28-2012 00:34:30




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I checked out a new book from the library yesterday. It is written by Glenn Beck that is titled: AGENDA 21.

It is a work of fiction about government that went overboard in the USA. Anyone who votes should read it and realize that they should think long and hard about who they vote for. It is pretty scary reading when you realize that it has some possibility of happening if we allow certain politicians to sucker us.

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tjdub

12-28-2012 12:16:16




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USDA has been doing the ag census for over 110 years. I think we'll be OK.

http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/New_York/Historical_Data/Livestock/Livestock.htm



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Thesmoothedeere

12-28-2012 06:59:33




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You couldn't pay me to read a glenn beck book. lol



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tjdub

12-27-2012 21:33:36




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
It seems like every year I get it. I never fill it out, but then some really polite person calls up and asks me the questions over the phone and I just can"t help but answer :)

This year they only wanted to know about hay yields and hay stockpiles (because of the drought, I suppose). Every other year, they only care about how many cattle I have and my expected prices.

I don"t mind answering the questions though. I always like to read the USDA crop and livestock reports to get an idea of where prices are going, so I"m glad people answer the surveys.

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Traditional Farmer

12-28-2012 05:16:51




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Expected prices on cattle next year? Thats a good one I have no idea what I'm going to get for cattle from week to week.Anyway what in the World could it matter what I 'espect' to get? The only expectation I have is what the check is written for.



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JD Seller

12-27-2012 21:09:42




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I get one every time they do the Ag census. I usually never fill them out. Some times I just write "more than one" in all the boxes. It is NONE of the government's business what I have , what I farm, or how many head of livestock I have.

For those of you that think it is great and we all should do it. Tell me right here how many dollars you have in your bank account. It is the same type of thing.

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NEKS

12-27-2012 20:39:36




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I thought I was the only one in a million that got one. Ha ha. For a little operater like me they sure wasted a lot of paper. There was a guy coming around this summer and would measure off a area in your bean field and count the bean stocks and pods per plant. Gave me a book dated 2009 on ag statistics. Said he had a car trunk full. Four years behind. The ASCS office could give them more accurate information.

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magpiene

12-27-2012 20:10:41




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I refuse to fill it out!!!! Told the lady that called, IT WAS NONE OF THIER BUISNESS 2 years ago. Not in jail yet.



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dboll

12-27-2012 19:55:29




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it will fit into any size trash can, a huge waste of money, they know all of that info aready



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rustyplow

12-27-2012 19:26:14




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
My dad gets one every year I think. He"s been gone 14 years now. I have tossed them all in the trash. No black choppers on the horizion, yet.....



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IaGary

12-27-2012 19:25:01




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
Has anyone ever heard of anyone that has been penalized for non return?

I haven't.

I got one and may fill it out---may not.

I know of no law that states I must.



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Huskers86

12-27-2012 20:03:44




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to IaGary, 12-27-2012 19:25:01  
I was gonna skip it one year and the ascs office called me and said it was due and required by law. I didn't ask questions I just complied.



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Tony in Mass.

12-27-2012 18:57:44




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I wouldn't worry to much, just answer the questions as best you can. No conspiracy here, USDA has been interested in production for over 200 years... but most people didn't know how to read or write. Saves manpower sending civil servants millions of miles of back roads counting cows... and when I think about it, I drove from Bakersfield California to the Texas panhandle without seeing a cow, a tractor... lots of barbwire, but all this is suppose to be 'ranchland?'.... so I would like to see the stats on that too. The reason you got that is too see if a place your size is more productive than....300 or 3000 acres out there. Your place could hold? 8? 10? more cows? Out there, local laws limiting livestock to 10 acres per head, 50 acres per head... pumping YOUR tax money into places like that is one of the issues.
All these statistics will be public records. I don't think they print 'yearbooks of agriculture' anymore do they? The most boring books in the world...

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Buckeye

12-27-2012 18:55:41




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I think we should all mark it "DECEASED" and send it back in.



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Dr. Walt

12-27-2012 19:22:15




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Buckeye, 12-27-2012 18:55:41  
I'm the only one that can LEGALLY do that. I'm the at-large STATE CORONER.



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Tom in TN

12-27-2012 18:40:44




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I haven't received one yet this year, but I got one a few years ago. The threats of dire consequence for failing to fill out the form irritated, but I filled it in and sent it anyway.

If I get another one, I'll fill it out.

They hold all of the cards.

Tom in TN



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redtom

12-27-2012 18:39:32




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I get one and I only raise 1/2 acre asparagus!!



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Greg1959

12-27-2012 18:38:55




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
Never went to the mailbox to check and that was years ago. It got filled up and post office quit delivering. Yea, Department of Agriculture will call you. Just answer their questions over the phone. It don't take but a couple of minutes.



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Bob Bancroft

12-27-2012 18:34:15




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I don't remember one like this. In the past I have offered acreages, storage capacity, etc. I looked through this one and there's a page that looks a lot like IRS form 1040, Sch. F. Funny they had to send out a threat letter ahead of this, and this also states "response required by law". The consesus around here is that the fed's. might as well get ready to house us. I didn't look thoroughly, but now I'm wondering if there's a place to enter political party affiliation? Maybe farmer welfare program money will be withheld from non-conformists! Good!

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Larry NEIL

12-27-2012 18:48:01




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-27-2012 18:34:15  
bob, that was exactly my thought as I flipped through it a few minutes ago. TAX FORM!



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el6147

12-27-2012 18:32:58




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I just received one also , underneath my name and address I wrote "Do not farm" and sealed it. back in the mail box tomorrow.



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Huskers86

12-27-2012 18:31:19




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I got a notice the other day saying I'll get one. Seems wasteful to send a paper saying you'll get a paper! Yes you have to fill it out by law. I hate them things too.



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Ed The Wine Farmer

12-27-2012 18:30:24




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Larry NEIL, 12-27-2012 18:20:26  
I got one yesterday. A few days before, I got a robo phone call telling me that I must fill it out or they would keep asking. Looks like the big "O" is fishing for money.



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coonie minnie

12-27-2012 20:08:34




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Ed The Wine Farmer, 12-27-2012 18:30:24  
Yes, the survey is a pain.

But if you ever want anything from FSA, or if you are proud of anything you do in agriculture, you'd better fill it out. All the statistics about how many jobs you create, dollars put in the oommunity, etc come from your survey. So does all the information about what programs are important, and which are not.

If you think farming is irrelavant to this country, and you want governmenbt to ignore ag's importance, then by all means throw it away.

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JD Seller

12-28-2012 01:45:04




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to coonie minnie, 12-27-2012 20:08:34  
Coonie how much money do you have in your checking account??? How about your retirement plan??? Come on now, that information will allow benefits to many on this grand public forum.

When I asked you this it sounds silly but that IS exactly what the government is asking ME. It is no ones business what I grow, own or control.

I do not remember seeing a corporate census ever being published. If a large company like Cargil can say it is privately held and that they do not have to make reports to the government then I should be allowed the same rights. Just because I farm does not mean that I should have to divulge anything about my personal business.

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jackinok

12-28-2012 07:10:55




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to JD Seller, 12-28-2012 01:45:04  
ha ha ha . They have your name,they have your address, they have your ss number. You really dont think they cant check your bank account? Heres a news flash,you have enough money in your account your BANKER has to report it for you!! Your not divulging anything they dont know or cant find out. All they have to do is look at last years tax forms. Just saves the taxpayer money by you doing it instead of another clerk on the gov payroll. All kinds of info comes from the ag reports, how folks are impacted by droughts,floods etc. How many cattle are on hand. How many acres of what crops are planted etc etc. All sorts of things and some of them directly impact national security. Dont fill it out if you dont want to,but if you think your in some way hiding something from them by not doing so,your fooling yourself. Walk into the local fsa office,they can tell you exactly how many acres you farm even if they have never been on your place or youve never met them. Probably could tell you what color nightgown your wife wears if they wanted to,because its nearly all checked by satelite photography these days. LOL. I dont mind filling them out, makes no difference whatsoever. And i like reading the ag reports. Somewhere around here i have the first one ever published. but they dont tell you anything you could use for or against anyone. And you CAN use them to track trends in markets etc. Knowing for instance how many cattle have gone to market in an area due to folks selling off because of the drought ,you may want to hold some more heifers and haul them to another market when rains crank up again. Knowing what area averages 29 ba wheat or another that produces 50 might be handy to know if your looking to re-locate. Thats what these are for, they are not some insideous plan by a gov agency. If they want to do that they dont normaly send you a letter telling you so!

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Buzzman72

12-28-2012 02:24:57




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to JD Seller, 12-28-2012 01:45:04  
I currently work a temp job at the Census Bureau...and at the same time we were printing the AG survey, we were also printing an Economic survey that went to other businesses.

So you're badly mistaken if you think that businesses don't get a similar form from the Census Bureau. Besides...where do you think the business statistics that the government tells the media comes from? They come from responses to similar surveys that are sent out by the Census Bureau; they're NOT just made up out of thin air, as you seem to believe.

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JD Seller

12-28-2012 07:13:51




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to Buzzman72, 12-28-2012 02:24:57  
That business survey DOES Not ask the same type of questions that the farm census does. It asks how many workers you have. Then what percentage you think you business is going up and down. That type of questions. It does not ask for your exact production numbers and that sort of thing.



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PJH

12-27-2012 21:51:55




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 Re: US census of Agriculture in reply to coonie minnie, 12-27-2012 20:08:34  
Coonie - you're a pretty sharp guy!



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