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Re: Farmall H won't pull

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JD Seller

12-12-2012 06:21:00
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You don't say what they are doing. Is the clutch slipping or are you running out of power????

If you are running out of horse power then welcome to reality of a worn out small horse power tractor with a fast road gear. An IH "H" was only 17-19 horse power when brand new.

I know that I will get beat up by some guys but here goes. We had two Farmall "H" tractors when I was a kid. About the only thing they where any good for was pulling a hay rake. IF the ground got hard they would not push a four row cultivator. We would have to take one side off. You did not dare try to pull a loaded wagon on any of our hills. You would get pushed all over the place going down the hill and spin out or kill them going up the hill. Real gutless wonders. They are kind of like an 8N Ford: they beat a team of horses by a little bit. I know they sold millions of them but most of those fellows where buying their first tractor and did not have much else to compare them too.

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Leroy

12-12-2012 18:01:46
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:21:00  
Tested max pto hp was 27, not the figures you are giving, the late JD B that they mostly competed with is 28 max pto hp.



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JD Seller

12-12-2012 19:11:11
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to Leroy, 12-12-2012 18:01:46  
Leroy I always check my numbers very close before I post them. The straight Farmall "H" was only 17-19 drawbar horse power or 21-24 belt. The later Farmall Super "H" was 29 PTO horse power. Still no power house.

As for a JD "B" they where an underpowered tractor as well but they did not have the high road gear that the Farmall "H" had. So they where not as bad on pulling on the road.



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Huskers86

12-12-2012 19:42:30
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 19:11:11  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Those are the claimed numbers on the h. Actual tested numbers are 24.17 h.p. at drawbar and 26.20 belt. Super h claimed 22 drawbar actual was 30.69 and had claimed pto at 29 but no test results shown for actual pto but the belt test came in at 33.4 I go to the tractor data page too.



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NY 986

12-12-2012 06:43:18
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:21:00  
Even die hard IH guys are divided over the legacy of the H. A lot more H's than M's sold around here back in the day. Most pulled 2-12's and if an owner had extra money he would have a set of 2-14's for any "light" fields. It seemed the H could move only slightly more than itself in road gear. A wagon full of hay 4th gear or 3rd gear if hilly (but not steep).



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330 Standard

12-12-2012 06:42:56
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:21:00  
Also i don't think the engine is worn out at least on one of them because the previous owner stated it had been rebuilt a few years back and it shows all those signs. Starts, runs, idles great.



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rustred

12-12-2012 07:23:27
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to 330 Standard, 12-12-2012 06:42:56  
starts,runs, idles great is not how you tell an engines condition. you need to know the oil consumption of the engine and do a compression check. i have seen engines with burnt valves start , run and idle. even if you go and pull 2 plug wires off they still start pretty good. i was going to suggest clutch disc worn out , but how can this be on 2 tractors at same time? if your just driving and tractor speed slows down and engine speed stays the same and you come to a stop has to be clutch slipping. like we are not getting proper description of whats happening.

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330 Standard

12-12-2012 07:33:31
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to rustred, 12-12-2012 07:23:27  
Your exactly right. Just driving around, engine speed stays the same and tractor quits moving. Oil consumption is none existent as far as I have been able to tell. Of course there is no dipstick but ports are fine. No smoke or fouled plugs which I would suspect if rings were bad. Raked hay 3 times this summer no issues but never got over 3rd gear. Also you only have to depress the clutch pedal about an inch and it starts to engage.

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rustred

12-12-2012 10:08:17
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to 330 Standard, 12-12-2012 07:33:31  
yep your disc is worn out. but why on both tractors at once you said? and if your depressing clutch 1" its disengaging, not engaging. thats another sign of worn disc.



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MisterT

12-12-2012 06:41:42
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:21:00  
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I'll take a Farmall H any day over an 8n Ford or even a John Deere A, and yes, I said John Deere A.

A Farmall H, in good condition and tuned up properly will easily pull itself in 5th gear on the road and will do so even on hills. An empty hay wagon will effect it very little and several folks on a hay ride shouldn't bother it all that much either.

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Old Roy

12-12-2012 14:17:15
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to MisterT, 12-12-2012 06:41:42  
I'd bet on the "A" for lugging power.
The "H" would have to drop a gear in places Old Johnny die down to 2 second breaths .



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Bill in IL

12-12-2012 07:24:11
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to MisterT, 12-12-2012 06:41:42  
I have an H that is guttless too. I was thinking mine was a distillate engine originally therefore built for low compression. It has the 3rd hole in the hood for a gasoline tank. Mine will at least pull hills in 5th gear with no major load. These are not NW Iowa sized hills though.

My dad has a super H and it has power comparable if not more than his worn out M. It makes me wonder if the H that you are speaking of has not been rebuilt to super H specs.

I would take 4 clyinder power over 2cylinder any day of the week. They sound nice but that is about it in my opinion. Very crude old beasts until the 3000 and 4000 series in the 60's.

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JD Seller

12-12-2012 06:54:36
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to MisterT, 12-12-2012 06:41:42  

You must not have much in the way of hills. Here is a picture of my drive way. Neither of the two "H" Farmalls would pull this hill in road gear empty. Put a wagon behind them and it had better be empty or you would come down it back wards.

I am not a big two cylinder/hand clutch fan but a JD "A" would drag an Farmall "H" around all day long. You are comparing two different size tractors.

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Leroy

12-12-2012 18:06:26
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:54:36  
Those hills in your picture tell me that there was something wrong with your tractors, they should handle those hills just fine.



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JD Seller

12-12-2012 19:21:24
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to Leroy, 12-12-2012 18:06:26  
Leroy neither of those Farmall "H" tractors have been on this farm since 1975. They where in good running condition. That hill you all are saying is nothing will whip a 450 horse power semi going out with a load of grain. That small hill is a 8% slope. It is steeper than it looks. Plus the Farmall "H" we had where both older one that did not have Super H parts in them. They both where bought new and where rated at 21 belt horse power on the original invoices.

The only trouble with those Farmall "H" tractors was that they where under powered for there size and had a real fast road gear.

Also guys trying to make me defend a JD two cylinder is a lost cause. They where a crude tractor that just about put JD out of business. I personally collect the 10 series and newer. I am not a fan of hand clutches or hand brakes. So I only have a few of the older JDs that the family had.

Plus the original poster has a clutch problem that is unrelated to how much horse power his tractor has. He can't get the power to the wheels.

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supermpuller

12-12-2012 12:17:42
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:54:36  
Neb test Eary JD A draw bar 18 hp, max pull 2923 lbs IH H draw bar hp 24 hp, max pull 3603 looks like the H wins.. I have 2 h's one with firecraters one stock and a SH . The stock one would pull a 2 bottom plow with a JD about even in the field, the other 2 would lap a JD a plowing. Sounds like a clutch problem and a good tune-up on 50 year old tractors would make a hugh difference.



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MisterT

12-12-2012 14:00:54
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to supermpuller, 12-12-2012 12:17:42  
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Thank you for those facts.



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MisterT

12-12-2012 08:09:00
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:54:36  
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You definitely need to have an IH mechanic work on those 2 Hs. That hill is nothing. Any properly tuned Farmall H wouldn't even break a sweat pulling that hill in road gear.



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330 Standard

12-12-2012 07:27:28
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:54:36  
My hill is no way near yours. True about the JD A versus the Farmall H as far as size but I have seen a Super C run this route just fine which is why I figured the H would be good to go.



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dhermesc

12-12-2012 07:21:52
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:54:36  
Your Hs have problems. The one we had growing up would drop to 4th to pull a loaded hay wagon up that hill but would pull itself (no load) up something like that with no issues. It's not like ours was in all that great of shape either.



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330 Standard

12-12-2012 06:40:35
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to JD Seller, 12-12-2012 06:21:00  
Okay here is a reply so you all have more information to work with. The engine does not stall. It keeps running just fine. The tractor just quits moving. Believe me this hill is very slight. really almost no hill at all. All I have used this tractor for since i got it was raking hay and pulling a 16 ft trailer around the farm loading junk to be hauled however the last 2 loads of junk were heavy loads and it pulled just fine on relatively level hard ground. I realize high gear is road gear and would not pull a hay ride that fast but this tractor would not pull itself if I was moving it from field to field.I have been pulling this shuttle with a 43' JD A in 5 th gear and it is about the right speed for the 3 mile round trip. The lower H gears that this tractor will pull in will be way too slow for the traffic. This is really more of a people mover at the festival than a hay ride. I would just like to use the H because it is electric starting and to do something different. So any ideas?

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Paul from MN

12-12-2012 08:27:39
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to 330 Standard, 12-12-2012 06:40:35  
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What you are describing is either a clutch that is worn out or in great need of adjustment.



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showcrop

12-12-2012 07:35:15
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to 330 Standard, 12-12-2012 06:40:35  
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If what you are stating can be interpreted as "Engine RPMs do not drop off but tractor slows way down" the problem is the clutchs.



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PJH

12-12-2012 07:23:12
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 Re: Farmall H won't pull in reply to 330 Standard, 12-12-2012 06:40:35  
You said, "The engine does not stall. It keeps running just fine. The tractor just quits moving."

Your clutch is probably shot, or at the very least needs adjustment.



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