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Re: Adirondack photos

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Bret4207

12-05-2012 15:28:20
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Last time I checked you need a license to fish on your own land. If you can find a regulation allowing it, it's news to me. You can hunt small game on your own farm, but it must be a farm and you primary occupation must be in farming. Deer, bear,turkey, ducks and geese, trapping all require a license to be legal as far as I can find.
I grew up in North Creek. I lived in Tupper and Long Lake. I likely know your widow woman neighbor since I worked in Indian Lake for many years. If she's been there that long she's likely a Virgil, Hutchins, Parker, Stanton, Farrell or Lanphear. I'm related to half of them. My mother lived in Raquette Lake till she passed and my step father still lives there. Owning a vacation home and judging what you see isn't the same as growing up there and seeing the change. You didn't grow up seeing the sawmills and mines close one by one and the state buy more and more land, cutting off any chance for the locals to buy it. You didn't see the APA encroach more and more into our daily lives. You didn't see North Creek when you could hardly move through town for the log trucks, trucks hauling garnet, when the trains ran twice a day hauling from Tahawus. 3 barbershops, a jewlery store, a variety store, 2 appliance stores, 3 groceries, 7 restaurants and bars, 2 hotels, a motel, auto parts store, 2 car dealerships, a Mcculloch dealer, a dry goods, a tailor, a movie theater, hardware, liquor store, funeral home, gun shop, newspaper, a sawmill and handle mill, bowling alley....the list is long. North River had 2 general stores and a tavern to serve the mines. Go to Newcomb and see a ghost town filled with retirees and the unemployed. Go to Bakers Mills or Johnsburg and look at the empty stores and gas stations. Sure, Saranac and Placid are doing fine, but go to Blue Mtn or Long Lake in the winter on a weekday and what do you see? A closed up grocery store and a bar, not even the bar in Blue.

Anywhere you go you will find life is easier to live with power and modern roads, I'm not sure what the point of that was LJD.

Get off Main St in North Creek and outside of the skiers condos, what do you find? Not the well kept homes of my youth, those are mostly gone along with the beach at the swimming hole the state shut down (IIRC). I used to be a life guard there. Gone now.
The skiers used to come by train and stay in what would be called bed and breakfasts and a few hotels and cabins. Now, most of them stay in Lake George or Glens Falls or don't come at all. They go to Vermont where they have a choice of areas within an hours drive, just like it used to be before the State built Gore. As I remember it there were 7 ski areas within 1/2 hour of North Creek back then, maybe more. Now there's Gore- period. You'll need to be a registered Democrat and have a friend that's a Committeeman at least to get a job there.
As far as "...I'd rather see my NY tax-dollars go to preserving what is left of Adirondacks that giving raises and extra benefits to union state workers, friends of politicians, school teachers, welfare recipients, etc.", well, I'd rather see the money returned to the taxpayers! Get a map of the Park and see how much land the State already owns. 6 million acres and the state own 45% of it so far. Do we really need all of it? Once the State gets a piece of land it's never, ever going to be able to be used again- ever. No logging, no mining, no snowmobiles, no horses, no ATVs, no nuthin'. They bought the Whitney Tract which was crisscrossed with roads and what did they do? Closed off all the roads so Gram and Gramps can't drive in to a lake or pond. And who do they listen to when deciding land use? The locals? Heck no, they listen to the environmental groups with lobbyists and huge bankrolls. So instead of conservation they practice preservation.

Like I said, nice to look at, just don't try and live there.
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 15:35:39 12/05/12.

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LJD

12-07-2012 11:29:23
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to Bret4207, 12-05-2012 15:28:20  
Lanphear. She grew up on Cedar Creek Flow but later moved to Chamberlain Road (where my place is adjoining state land). In regard to other old names? When I had to call the building inspector - he was a Hutchins. When I spoke to the town supervisor - he was a Hutchins. When I had to pay for a water-engineering study - it was a Hutchins from North Creek (cousin to those in Indian Lake). I also met a young building contractor in town - and yes - another Hutchins.

In regard to no logging on State land in the Park? Before the state started the preserve - the Adirondacks was getting horribly depleted and eroded from over-cutting. Now it's gone the other way. A middle-road approach would be nice but I doubt it's possible with private or state ownership.

The reality is - most of the original blue line area was a place not well suited for industry, farming, or "good comfortable" living. It's a rugged area. It was never "upscale." What little modern convention that came in was due to outsiders with money. It's bad enough with all the tourist traps and paved roads all over it along with big non-resident vacation homes and boat houses. Although I regard the APA and the NYS government as over-liberal and very corrupt - I see the park as one of the few good things done with my tax dollars. Would I rather have no taxes and no land being bought by the state? Yes but it's not going to happen.

I guess we don't agree. I'd like to see it more wild and many of the RV and snowmobile trails removed from the wildest areas. Let them play in the less wild areas or go to Tug Hill.

I live at times at another place in northern Michigan. There the state forests are logged often. Clear cut right to ground and every twig removed and chipped up to go to the OSB mills. It makes a lousy mess and makes the already poor soil even poorer. So yeah, I'd hate to see that happen to the Adirondacks. The Catskills were ruined years ago. Same with much of Tug Hill area and the Thousand Lakes area (with help from Napolean Boneparte).

I'll be moving to Indian Lake sometime in the next few years - so I guess I'm not heeding your warning. I love the wild part of it. I don't care for the people part of it and don't want it converted into a remote suburb to Albany.

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