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Re: Adirondack photos

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Bret4207

12-05-2012 04:18:23
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You know, it's really great that everyone thinks it's pretty. Try living there. The Adirondack Park Agency and NYS combine together to make pretty much everything illegal, expensive, impossible or incredibly difficult. The State, which is broke and won't even discuss worker compensation issues, school aide, mandate reform, etc, just announced they are in contract to buy 70,000 more acres of land! This land will likely be put in "Wilderness" classification, all the roads will be closed (it's a timber co tract), no travel other than by foot will be authorized. 70K more acres taken out of production forever. And the really neat part is the NYS tax payers will not only foot the bill for that and the new welfare recipients closing this land will create, but they will pay increased taxes to cover the tax bill on the land. That's right, NYS taxes the taxpayers to pay the land taxes on State owned lands to towns within the Park!!!

I grew up in the Park and lived there till 1995. At that time the current govs daddy Mario Cuomo had something called the "21st Century Bond Act" up for vote. It was a very far reaching effort to turn the Park into what essentially would be nothing more than a shanty town of worker bees, kept out of sight and limited in every way, to support the extremely wealthy in their vacation homes. The State would have even more control over your private lands. It was voted down, barely, but now I see the UNs Agenda 21 coming out with most of the same ideas. Scary.

It's pretty alright. I miss it. I note Zach didn't include and pictures of the towns and villages along the way. That's probably because most of them resemble something out of a 1950's Appalachia photo essay. Most of them are dying or have already died. And with no disrespect towards Zach or the others that like it and use it, consider this- The gore-tex and granola crowd gets to use all those state maintained trails, campsites, etc. at no charge. Meanwhile I have to buy a $29.00 Fishing license to fish on my own farm. IMO anyone using state lands in any way should have to have a land use license or a hunting/fishing/trapping license. The sportsmen of NY have been paying their way for 100 years. It's time the hiking/camping/canoeing/rafting/mountain biking/cross country skiing crowd started paying their fair share.

Rant off.

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GVSII

12-05-2012 14:53:05
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to Bret4207, 12-05-2012 04:18:23  
Brett, since when has NYS required a land owner to hold a fishing license to fish waters on his own land? This is news to me.



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LJD

12-05-2012 05:26:25
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to Bret4207, 12-05-2012 04:18:23  
I agree with much you stated - to a degree. But I'd rather see my NY tax-dollars go to preserving what is left of Adirondacks that giving raises and extra benefits to union state workers, friends of politicians, school teachers, welfare recipients, etc. I've lived off-and-on in Hamilton County (Indian Lake) for 30 years. That is in the original part of the park (unlike Lake George region that was added later). My grandmother at age 18 in 1924 came from France, went through Ellis Island and traveled by train, coach, and steam-boat to Old Forge where she lived for many years - taking care of some rich NYC family's kids. All mail and groceries came by steam-boat and all heat was from coal or wood. No electricity. Kids went to school in a one-room school-house. By those standards -the life style is certainly easier now. My neighbor in Indian Lake lives where she was born. 78 years old, widow -and still heats with wood. She works all summer at Blue Mountain Lake at the "rich peoples" museum run by non-native people. She gets winters off and collects unemployment. She tells me that things are much easier for her now then when she was a kid. No electricity until after WWII.

Much (but not all) of the Adirondacks is worth preserving in my opinion. In regard to the corrupt APA (Adirondack Park Agency) - I don't think they do enough to actually preserve habitat. They waste too much time on other trivial issues and constantly break their own rules.

No doubt that park has a low population of native full-timers. But it always did and most I know want more tourists to visit (along with their money) and not less. Many of the natives would be fine with clear-cutting much of the place and getting a few bucks for the logs. Same way it was before the Park was created.

Up to a few years ago - Racquette Lake had the smallest school in the USA -but now it's closed. The entire elementary and high school was down to two students. We were going to enroll our kid there. Now the kids get bussed to Indian Lake. Oddly the residents of Racquette Lake voted to keep the school and taxes going even though it's empty.

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Zachary Hoyt

12-05-2012 06:42:41
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to LJD, 12-05-2012 05:26:25  
I didn't take photos of towns because I don't spend much time in them, I have a limited time to spend up there and want to spend it in the woods as much as possible. I have passed through several towns in the western and central ADKs and overall they look in much better shape than the towns here in northern Oswego county where I live. Lots of tourist traps and vacation homes, but that is where the money comes from as I know from growing up in Maine.
Zach

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LJD

12-05-2012 14:11:04
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to Zachary Hoyt, 12-05-2012 06:42:41  
Kind of the same as comparing the Adirondack villages (that I frequent) as to where I live in Central NY. I go to the central Adirondacks a lot and own some land and cabin there. Villages like Speculator, north Creek, Indian Lake, Blue Mountain Lake, Wells, Lake Pleasant, Racquette Lake, etc. all in nicer condition then where I live. But yeah - a lot of that is because of tourist dollars and/or city people with vacation homes. Where I live in central New York things were booming back when dairy farming was the main "industry." Our town was much more upscale in the 1800s then it is now. That is fine with me, by the way. I don't need nor want "upscale." Just wish my taxes would reflect that. If I wanted "upscale" I could live 20 miles away in the tourist trap of Cooperstown where the Farmers Museum and Baseball Hall of Fame is. NO thanks.

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Adirondack case guy

12-05-2012 14:27:54
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to LJD, 12-05-2012 14:11:04  
John,
Couldn't agree with you more about Cooperstown. They seam to think they own all the surounding area, and can dictate what happens even on my little corner of the woods and Our 1200A family farm north of the lake.
The wifes side of the family ownes a small off-grid camp on the Gillmantown Rd. between Wells and Speculator. I hope to have more time in the future to spend up there
Loren, the Acg.

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LJD

12-06-2012 05:12:23
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to Adirondack case guy, 12-05-2012 14:27:54  
I go through Gilmantown Road every time I drive up there. It's a soft of "long cut" around the Wells area. I'd almost bought land there a few years ago that just touched a small lake. Gilmantown Lake (I think).

Some years ago I met a farmer who runs a farm on the very end of Otsego Lake. I bought a Case tractor from him. A DC with a dropped valve as I recall. Maybe the farm was in Sringfield Center or Richfield? I think he told me it was one of the last farms there. I think I recall the name Tim Richards on Public Landing Road - but my memory could be off. Fasset Farm maybe?

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Adirondack case guy

12-06-2012 06:01:39
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 Re: Adirondack photos in reply to LJD, 12-06-2012 05:12:23  
Tim R is my cousin. we're the same age, started school together and graduated HS together. He and his son are still Leasing that farm, which belongs to the Cunningham Family.
One of the lakes at the top of the hill is Charlie Lake and there was a trail that led from the road to Dunning? Pond. The Family Camp is just above the road into the resivoir, as you climb up from Wells.
Loren, the Acg.

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