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Re: Youth shotguns

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jackinok

11-30-2012 08:32:40
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As for the folks who say an autoloader makes a kid trigger happy,all i can say is nonsense. Simply give them one shell. Ive taught many many young folks to hunt. What I do,is they carry their gun unloaded,until they are able to keep up. When they are able to keep up bird hunting behind dogs, they get one shell. They still carry guns unloaded and open until dogs point,then they step up,load, and shoot. If they miss,gun is safe and i am behind them watching for the reason and am able to coach them better. Once i am really assured they are safe,know the rules,etc then and only then do we hunt together. One very important thing you want to watch for is simply buying a gun too heavy, and especialy too muzzle heavy, for a young person. If they cant lift it and point/swing it. They will sort of put the gun to their shoulder,and arch their back to lift the muzzle.( watch yours,youll see them do it)besides being a nearly impossible angle to hit from since they cant swing,or KEEP swinging,very often they will pull the trigger at the same time,and are liable to shoot the dogs..THATS the reason most folks call single shot guns youth guns. Any hammer type gun REGARDLESS of brand is inherently less safe than a hammerless regardless of who tells you otherwise..simply because its all to easy for a person to hold the trigger down while they are cocking/decocking it,especialy a young person with weak,small hands. The safety factor was a big selling point for hammerless guns years ago. next time you go bird hunting,try this. try carrying your shotgun open .when a bird flushes simply close the breech as you mount gun.bet you find you dont miss anymore birds unless your in extremly thick cover.and you may be surprised to find you kill more birds per number of shots.no gun can fire with a open breech,thats the only true safety you have. teach you young ones never to load their guns untill they are ready to fire,and youll never have to worry about them in the feild,simply because a unloaded gun is safe.

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dboll

11-30-2012 16:01:34
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to jackinok, 11-30-2012 08:32:40  
being too weak to cock the hammer is like being too weak to run the clutch on a tractor, when they can prove they are strong enough and responsible then they can drive the tractor and shoot the gun



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jackinok

12-03-2012 08:26:49
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to dboll, 11-30-2012 16:01:34  
I agree with being able to cock the hammer,BUT theres a mental process that has to take place there.Especialy when DECOCKING the hammer.it has to either be done enough its second nature, or it takes serious thought process to do it safely. either one is liable to be overlooked or forgotten in the excitement of the hunt.especialy for a young person or a inexperienced hunter. i bet if you checked ,probably 99% of the accidents that happen with these guns happen when they are being decocked. hammer block safeties have all but eliminated not getting the hammer all the way back and gun firing,but to make it safe decocking you have to pull the trigger on a live round,while holding the hammer back,releasing the trigger, letting the hammer fall, then in most cases recocking back to half cock.lots of stuff for a excited young person to remember,and quite honestly ive seen several grown folks just plain not coodinated enough to do it right.to me a single gun is for a seasoned hunter.if you honestly believe these guns are for you or yours,start off teaching your children to carry them with the action open. cocked or decocked then makes no difference.teach your young one to open the action before decocking, and you know gun wont fire.

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Philt

11-30-2012 14:39:48
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to jackinok, 11-30-2012 08:32:40  
that was my thoughts behind the auto loader also my 7 year old already has a BB gun and as I previously state is not ready for a shotgun but I would like to purchase one for each child now. I'm wanting an auto loader because it reduces recoil.



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Mel in SW Iowa

11-30-2012 11:40:22
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to jackinok, 11-30-2012 08:32:40  
jackinok, I admire your hunting, gun safety, logic and common sense you have used in a noble cause although those of us on a tighter budget might have to approach it with a pump. Although I have mainly shot a 12 gauge for the last 50 years, about 5 years ago I bought a 20ga Charles Daly semi-auto at Wal Mart for less than $300. I think they are made in Turkey, but it weighs, balances and swings a lot like an 1100 (IMHO). It is a lot easier to carry than a 12 gauge 1100 although the recoil from a lighter gun seems similar. Congratulations again on your Hunter Safety concept!!

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jackinok

12-03-2012 08:36:21
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to Mel in SW Iowa, 11-30-2012 11:40:22  
if i were today looking for a pump, for a young persons gun,i wouldnt look any farther than one of those maverick shotguns.they are cheap,reliable guns,good quality for the price,and are realitively lightweight in 20 ga.modeled basicaly after the model 500 which isnt a bad gun by itself.later on when a chid reaches full grown, invest in a gun made to fit them if they remain interested.thats my opinion of course.

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jackinok

11-30-2012 09:22:30
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to jackinok, 11-30-2012 08:32:40  
one other thing,NO child regardless of age is too young to take to the field!! i just spent a week in deer camp with a 11 week old baby and a breast feeding mother.two deer with the baby in a carrier proves it can be done,IF you make allowances for it.either one or both your kids can hunt with you now,IF YOU really want them to. theres no age limit whatsoever. when their young your their hero, take them now, make allowances,bond with them a little. teach them the discipline it takes to be still and listen to you now while doing something they get excited about, and youll often find your more of a hero and less of a zero later on... well you DID ask for opinions!LOL

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da.bees

11-30-2012 10:54:57
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to jackinok, 11-30-2012 09:22:30  
Jack,I commed you for all you stated. The fact you have a baby tells me that you are young and undouptly had/have (hopful he's still around) an EXELENT mentor. Far too many feel that if you don't plan on filling the sky with lead and smoke,may as well stay home. Oh,and we must also guage our sucess by how many and what size we haul back home.



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jackinok

12-03-2012 07:54:32
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 Re: Youth shotguns in reply to da.bees, 11-30-2012 10:54:57  
not my baby,sons newest.



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