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Antique crawler loader

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Ralphwd45

11-09-2012 16:50:14
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I need ideas for what was made, in crawler loaders. The only thing I can think of is oliver's OC tractors, and dont even know if they had loaders, or just a dozer blade. I have been loading thin chicken manure in my spreader, and spreading it on my pasture grass. the WD45, with Dual loader is almost helpless, backing out with a load, and is tearing up my grass spinning. I have a 3pt tandem disk on it, or else I would still be at the pile, with the first bucket full.I had 150 yd's hauled in and dumped in a low spot on my pasture, and found that the stuff they were bringing, was like thin mud. I will get this spread eventualy, but will have to level spin holes, and replant the area, after I am done spreading the stuff. I want to get a small track loader for next time,so I dont damage the field so bad, and it cant be any more trouble to operate than that monstrocety that I have been using. I cant justify a 4 wheel drive tractor, with loader, with my small operation, or the trouble and expence, to reverse the loader on the WD45. I realise that I will probably get something, that needs new brakes, clutches, tracks, and or rollers, if I buy what I can afford, but am wanting to go to tracks for this. What did IH, JD, MM, Oliver, or Case make in the 50's and 60's, in that type of tractor?

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oldtanker

11-10-2012 08:13:39
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Hope that if you can get it it works out well for you. I left out of my 1st reply that given a choice between a small crawler loader and a skid I'd rather have the crawler just because.

Rick



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ericlb

11-10-2012 05:58:24
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
im with the others if you think the allies is hard on the grass, just wait until you see what a track loader will do to it,, there wont be a blade of grass for a hundred feet of the pile, and probably some holes too, your best bet is to put some real weight on the back of that allis and keep using that i got the same problem with a 2wd john deere, but put about 900 to 1000 lbs on its hitch and problem solved!

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rusted nuts

11-10-2012 04:16:54
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Think I"d just dump the chicken chit on hight ground. Might save you some money.



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JDseller

11-09-2012 20:04:19
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  

I would just skip the old track loader. I would just get a skid steer and put a set of Grosser tracks over the rubber tires. A modern skid steer will out work any of the old time small crawler loaders. Plus when traction is not limited then you can easily remove the tracks and use it for other things.

Those skid steers with the ribber tracks will not work as well in real slick mud/manure.

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Dave Sherburne NY

11-09-2012 19:29:30
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Probably a rubber tracked skid steer would be best in the conditions you're working in. Without the tracks on the skid steer you would not be much better off than you are now unless you waited til everything dried out. That said, there are lots of tracked loaders my son has an Oliver OC46.



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4020-101

11-09-2012 19:24:18
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Maybe you could put chains on that makes a lot of difference and then maybe a weight box . This is the reason I built my 4wd loader tractor the tractor cost us 900 and loader 1800 It works good .a two wheel drive tractor is worthless with a loader on for what I do anyway .



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Crawler loader

11-09-2012 17:58:01
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
You're worried about digging things up too much with your tractor and think a crawler loader will cause less damage? They steer by braking one track and pivoting on it. If you're on a budget, you probably don't want an old track loader. Either hire someone to come and do it or get a skid steer. A skid steer is a lot more versatile than a track loader and doesn't have an expensive undercarriage to maintain. You can get over the tire rubber and/or steel tracks for skid steers. For finish work, you can't beat a skid steer.

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Dalet

11-09-2012 17:45:48
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Everyone that said skidloader is spot on. I can do more with a 30hp skid than an old Oliver trac loader could in 2x the time.

Plus there isn't the maintenance. Progress was good in this respect. I don't know what I would do without my 455 NH loader. It's old in its own right, but its quite good at what it does.



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old

11-09-2012 17:41:13
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
There was a number of loaders aftermarket that is for the OC-3 and HG etc. Cletrac crawlers and then there was the old JD 2 cylinder crawlers and I think some of them had loaders as was the 340IH crawlers. I have an HG Cletrac that has a loader on it but I replaced the engine with an Oliver 60 so it has a lot more power then the factory engine had



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in-too-deep

11-09-2012 17:34:35
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Rent a skidloader. Way more fun.



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JMS./MN

11-09-2012 17:33:07
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Doesn't cost much to reverse a WD, if you already have the tractor and loader. But how about renting a skidsteer for occasional use? $25-30 per hour? Crawlers are usually money pits..........you can get a really good skiddee for 5 grand....don't even need tracks for what you want to do, but can add them for under a grand.



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LJD

11-09-2012 17:20:41
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
I've got an Allis Chalmers HD4 crawler loader. Also a Deere 1010 crawler loader and also an Oliver OC46 crawler loader. I used to have an Allis Chalmers HD5 crawler loader, a Deere 420 crawler loader, and an Oliver 0C3 crawler loader. Out of them all, the Deere 1010 is by far the nicest to operate and maybe the Allis Chalmers HD4 second best.

In my area of NY, crawlers with loaders bring less then with dozer blades. $3500 can get something that is usable if you shop around. For me, having a machine with a foot clutch is a big advantage. Also as good on-the-go reverser is a nice asset. My Deere 1010 and my AC HD4 both have those features.

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oldtanker

11-09-2012 17:18:27
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
They all made crawler loaders, Cat, JD, AC, IH, Case and Oliver.

Problem with your plan is that steel tracted tractors can be very expensive to keep going and some makes parts are NLA for the undercarriage and tracks. Check into it very carefully before you jump.

You may be better off with a skid steer.

Rick



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super trucker

11-09-2012 17:12:16
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Case made track loaders based on the 450/850 dozed chassis. Heck I would have given you one a year ago. Ran good just needed a final drive fixed.



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Diydave

11-09-2012 17:12:09
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Rent an ASV RC-30 rubbertrack loader. Once you go modern, you'll never go back!



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Ted in NE-OH

11-09-2012 17:04:38
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 16:50:14  
Allis Chalmers made many types of track loaders. Check Craigs List



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Ralphwd45

11-09-2012 21:52:56
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ted in NE-OH, 11-09-2012 17:04:38  
While waiting for more replies, I went to Craigslist, looking for loaders, and struck out in the Seattle area. I switched to the wenatchie list, and hit paydirt, in yakima, but NO PHONE #!I sent a craigslist e mail answer, and have to hope that it is still there, and the dude will either call me, or e mail me. I hate not knowing! The unit is a 2010 deere, track loader, with an 820 front end loader. Diesel engine, new starter,undercarrige, steering clutches,ect- all in good shape. weighs 10-12,000 pounds. Tomarrow is Saturday, and if the pass is open, I sure would like to head east, and try it out, but the guy didn't leave a phone # GRIPE!

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bill mart

11-10-2012 04:32:14
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 21:52:56  
ask about the 2010 on the john deere forum and the dozer forum. Bill



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bobbyboywestcentIN

11-09-2012 23:11:20
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 Re: Antique crawler loader in reply to Ralphwd45, 11-09-2012 21:52:56  
a-Ha!, the spinning tires and tearing up of grass didn't bother you afterall.



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