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Josh in Pa

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How can I legally transport gasoline thru new jersey? Can I use a 90 gallon pickup mounted transfer tank? My family is from new jersey outside new york, and are having a hard time getting gasoline. I am in Pa and have fuel on the farm, and would like to take them some. I believe there is a curfew, so doing it in the dark is not possible. I even thought of stacking a small load of hay over the fuel tank.
Josh
 
If you have a DOT approved container I would make sure it is clearly labeled and set off. If stopped tell them it is for the storm victims and should be good .
 
Josh, I'd just haul it on up and DOT be d@mned. I don't think anyone is gonna stop you and hold you up if you tell them what it's for at this point. Just play dumb and apologize to the nice flatfoot.....
 
Just imagine what a spark would do with bales filled with gasoline fumes. I wouldn't try to hide it.
I agree with the others- properly placarded tank and off you go.
 
Thought i heard on a national news broadcast that external_link did away with all red tape. Guess if it was me I would load it and go.
 
Under a hundred gallons is legal. I would be sure to have it in a tank in good repair, with all the holes having the right breather, fill lid, pump and drain.
 
Since you brought this up and a thought crossed my mind--- the news shows cars lined up "forever" waiting to get gas because many stations are out of commission. Similarly to what you asked, I wondered why semi tankers couldn't haul gas into the city and sell straight from the tankers (maybe cash only and only one grade to make it simple). Wouldn't be that hard to dispense- even into containers if nothing else. Wouldn't need power to do that.
 
Hey, get a convoy of your neighbors while you are at it. Locate some of those used platic 30-50 gal barrels.
 
Just be careful. One, times are getting desperate in some desperate areas, and if you show up with a supply of what's in great demand, well, you never know how these things can turn out if the worng persons find out about it. Two, you mentioned that there are curfews, and along with curfews comes other parts of martial law, including restrictions that otherwise don't exist.

You mean well and have your heart in the right place, but be careful.

Good luck.

Mark
 
I realize semi tankers use a big hose to unload. Surely there's adaptors. Or if nothing else open a top hatch and SIPHON it-- maybe into pickup truck type tanks with 12volt pumps. Better than all those people waiting in lines.
 
Tarp it and go. I don't like the hay idea. I'd wouldn't advertise that you have it to LEO's or the zombies.
 
You can't transport gasoline in plastic barrels. They have to be 14 gauge steel or 16 gauge aluminun. He has to carry a 10 lb. AB or ABC dry chem. fire extinguisher.
 
I never hauled gasoline but hauled flammable paints,thinners,resins and glues. Everything we hauled was in Five gallon pails, 55 gallon barrels and 250 gallon aluminun totes. Never hauled any 119 gallon containers ( new containers are now 110 gallon).
 
I'd go with Donjr's response and throw in the "external_link eliminated the red tape line" I would hope they got more important things to do than hassle you trying to run bootleg fuel to your family. Maybe throw in a chain saw and tell 'em about the "tree down at your mom's house" while you're at it. Do they have anything to catch the fuel in once you get there? Can your truck make it round trip on one tank? Where is the last stop for normal gas en route? I understand you want to help your family but think this one out before you act. Might also see if there is anything else you can bring from Pa. to help them in NJ like generators or propane tanks ( I use the gas grill to cook if the power is out and you can get propane fueled coleman type lanterns) Batteries, flashlights, gas cans. Paper products, cleaning supplies and such.
 
I heard that too.

I immediately thought that if it is beneficial to remove the regulations and red tape so that the economy and people can recover more quickly, why not simply remove them permanently?

Dean
 

That would put a lot of bureaucrats in the soup line. That would be a good thing in my mind.
 
I Imagine they are hauling gas in, in tandems equipped with meters and smaller hoses and nozzles. Somebody is doing just that for the emergency vehicles. I have done it in years past when the power was off. Vic
 
We got into this discussion a few weeks ago. Even had a X DOT question my answers. He looked it up and I was correct so I will repeat it for you since you said "How can I legally"

Any thing you put gasoline in must be labeled.
For less than 8 gallons the red can/plastic with the words gasoline on it will work.
If the container is 8 gallons or over you need UN1203 labels on the containers. This is small container labels not placards that are used on the side of the truck.

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If you transport 1000 lbs or more of gasoline or any flammable for that matter including the weight of the container you need to have flammable placards on the truck and need a CDL with a haz-mat endorsement.
If the container is 119 gallons or more it is considered a bulk container. For this you need the placards with the 1203 UN number in the placard. These placards need to be in place if the container is full or empty and classed as last contained.

Your pickup mounted transfer tank has to be approved for gasoline and most are not. Most are only approved for diesel.

Then there is proper shipping papers; haz-mat compliance license and on and on.

While everyone comes into contact with gasoline on a daily bases and this gives us the feeling that it is a safe product; it is not. Gasoline is VERY flammable and just pouring it from one container to another container can allow it to catch on fire.

I respect your wanting to help but leave gasoline hauling to the guys that know how to do it.
 
Install extra tanks on your truck then pump of siphon the gas out. As for the extra tank as long as it looks like it is hooked the the truck fuel system you should be able to get by. I have a 40gal tank I set on my truck at times for gas and it is easy to make it look like it can be used for the truck and it sits in plain sight on my flat bed
 
Pull the pump out so someone doesn't put a gun to your head and hide it till you get there. Don t get got selling any, or the locals will charge you with profiteering, and just take it.
 
No I do not farm.
I was smart enough to tell my grandfather I do not want nothing to do with milking 300 cows 365 days a year.

But I hauled gasoline for years and know the dangers all to well. I have seen first hand what happens when you mix human flesh; large quantities of gasoline; and a spark from something as simple as static electricity.

Yes I have cut many corners in my life time. BUT......... Gasoline while it seems safe because we use it daily with no ill effects is a very dangerous product.
In fact dynamite without a blasting cap is safer than a can of gasoline.
 
I give you credit for getting out of the cow game!

Yea, I know gasoline is a funny thing - it's made up of different stuff, different flash points, so it will flash off at different times.

But - a whole lot of 50 gallon containers of it have been sloshed all over the place.

Diesel has made farming a lot safer.

--->Paul
 
I would not conceal the tank inside bales of hay. Is the transfer tank rated for gasoline or diesel? It could be more trouble than worth, especially if there are checkpoints you need to cross before entering an area.
 
if i remember right 300 gallons and under you don't need a cdl i haul gas in a 250 gallon propane tank on a 20 foot trailer here in texas
 
If they could get enough fuel into the city, there would be no lines. A tanker can unload into a storage tank a lot faster than you can pump gas into a car.
 
Agree 100% about removing regulations. Would make our economy more efficient, i.e. eliminate waste.

I also don't understand why they can't set up generators at the gas stations w/o electricity. Same goes for the fuel depots.
 
Transporting into the stricken area: be aware of these laws, I didn't know about them until I read them last nite. Things are getting rediculous in this country...guess the feds read the book "1984".

http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=24356
 
Your idea sounds good. It's time to help your relatives! Load up the tank and head out. I used to sell swine breeding stock and delivered boars all throughout Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and Indiana. I hauled the boars on a gooseneck livestock trailer that had a fully enclosed neck. I mounted a 100 gallon fuel tank in the neck of the gooseneck and plumbed it into the regular fuel tank on the pickup. When I'd get low, I'd hit a switch and fuel would gravity feed down and refill the regular tank. Worked slick as a whistle. I never had to buy fuel out of state. No one ever even knew the tank was in the trailer. The fuel line coming out looked just like electric lines. WE always stopped and went through the weigh stations and not once did anyone ever notice it. Sure worked for me.
 
(quoted from post at 20:01:32 11/01/12) But plastic 5 gal jugs are good?
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Yes, red "plastic" containers designed for gasoline.. and, one company that manufactured those; Biltz,(sp) has been sued off the face of this unfair earth of ours..
 
Not sure where you're going but I'd say a load of hay anywhere near new york city is certainly going to look a lot more suspicious than a pickup transfer tank.

I'd just fill it up and go. I can't imagine anybody's going to give you grief for bringing fuel to your family.

Just watch out - you might need all that fuel yourself with all the traffic jammed up.
 
If he gets stopped or would be envolved in an accident most likely they would through the book at him. If he was bring gas to his house or farm or to the field they won't say anything to him and can use plastic. But he is transporting fuel and thats a differant store.
 
You are making to much of this. Just fill it up and go. The news shows people coming in to Penna. to get gas. I counted one pickup with 18, 5 gal. gas cans in the back. That is alot more dangerous that one 100 gal tank.
When a State Of Emergency is declared the rules change.
Just don't sell the gas.
 
Have any idea how many pickups carry transport tanks here? Had a 75 gallon gas and 75 gallon diesel in the truck for two decades. Currently have a 110 gallon in the shop truck. Farmers, construction company foremen run them all the time.
 
You know transportin gas east of texas is boot leggin and that means you dumb cowboy I'm placin you under arrest for transportin gas Across state lines without the proper permits
 
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