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dave2 10-31-2012 11:45:21 79.240.157.254 Report to Moderator	New furnace time (heating and hot water)... Had some visits and offers and in the fine tune ???'s and deciding mode..... Pretty much narrowed down to 2 offers that are about 4k apart...... The cheaper one has a couple minor inconveniences but liveable.... Boiler is not made in germany but has a good reputation.... More expensive is made in germany and don't have the inconveniences... The headscratcher is....... SWMBO googled and had her boss check both contractors out..... The cheaper one has only been doing heating a couple years and is just a contractor (??) that just sells the package and subcontracts the installation....... Did the same thing with other unrelated stuff a year or two at a time in the past...... The more expensive guy is a technician himself the company he sells has it's own crews that he manages and does the final inspection...... He's been at it 20+ years.... Gut says the more expensive, but it's a chunk of change........ Is it worth it?? [Reply]   [No Email]
Traditional Farmer 11-01-2012 06:04:43 67.233.70.253 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   As an alternate opinion remember the older company started new at some point,back in the mid nineties I bought a house in the town near me and it needed a new furnace got a couple bids, one was about $1500 higher than the other the more expensive was by a company that had been in business for a good amount of time the cheaper bid was by a guy just starting out so I went with the cheaper guy.He was looking for business and did a great job and the older company was out of business in 5 years so that knife cuts both ways.Studebaker had been selling cars for years when Toyota came on the scene bet folks were glad they boght the tried and tested Studebaker(LOL). [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 06:16:39 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 11-01-2012 06:04:43   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I know......... I kinda liked the cheaper guy too.. He told me a couple of things (requirements) that didn't pertain to our situation but were beneficial... Just the red flags went up when we saw where he had dabbled in several other home improvement related areas for a couple years at a time. Kind of a jack of all trades, master of none.... The more expensive guy just made us an offer we can't refuse tho (as soon as he puts it on paper)... [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 11-01-2012 05:45:55 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   LOL nice try but they came out with man purses sometime in the 60's.......not only did my dad rant about man purses when they first came out so did Archie Bunker. Now stifle yourself! Those bags were CVC (Combat Vehicle Crewman helmet) bags. Us real tankers didn't use em and called by anohter name, F@g bags. Maybe should have with having to carry the CTT and SQT manuals plus the individual training books for each soldier that we were in charge of. Darn things were more like a brief case than anything else. We did carry them when I was an instructor, but only in the field. That's were we carried the CS grenades to use on the young officer students we had! Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 11-01-2012 03:31:13 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Dave ya know I just gotta mess with you from time to time......helps build you people skills! Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 03:40:47 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to oldtanker, 11-01-2012 03:31:13   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see That's OK.......... No real DAT's in the community the last few years.You's the next best thing to being there :roll: [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 11-01-2012 04:00:13 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 11-01-2012 03:40:47   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see See, no real men there.....that's why you started carrying than darn purse!!!! Oh....you make it soooo easy! [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 04:18:12 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to oldtanker, 11-01-2012 04:00:13   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see It was you turret fairies that started the trend in the first place dummy...... Everybody wanted to have a tanker bag (by whatever name folks tried to call it)... Them camo bags you all carried over your shoulders with notebooks and CTT manuals to cover up the lipstick and nylons in the bottom..... Heard ya'll even carried either in em during Desert Shield/Storm :shock: Now, set down and behave yourself.......... [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 11-01-2012 02:37:57 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   OH and by the way Dave. A piece of you mind is worth.....well lets say ya give me 50 bucks I'll take it off of your hands.....ROFL! Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 02:45:52 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to oldtanker, 11-01-2012 02:37:57   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Yea yea..... got my pieces/peaces mixed up............. I speak as much german as I do english the last few years and sometimes forget what words go where.... At least I spelled it right :roll: [Reply]  [No Email]
JDseller 10-31-2012 18:41:35 208.126.196.144 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Dave from what I have seen in your post you are just like most of us here. Not in the poor house but not rich either. Also you are looking at the furnace that you will be using when you retire or are just older. That 4K spread out over just ten years is just $400 per year. So the lack of inconveniences and the fact the higher guy does the whole thing start to finish would make his system a better buy in my book. With the other guy what happens a few years down the road when you have an issue with the furnace. The manufacturer says it is an installation problem and the installer says it is the furnace??? Guess who is no longer in the business?? Then you are stuck in the middle. I always try to buy the best quality I can afford. This is on long term things. A good furnace most of the time will mean fewer head aches in the long run. [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 01:28:01 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to JDseller, 10-31-2012 18:41:35   Pretty much had decided on the more expensive offer before posting.... Just wanted to get some feedback... Guess everyone is thinking about the same....... Asked the more expensive guy about service/repair calls.. He said he shows me what to service and leaves 5 years worth of expendables (steel grates) and shows up for any problems/adjustments (IAW chimney sweeper annual test) free for that 5 years and there are service techs (including himself) available 24/7 afterwards..... Cheaper guy says about the same but don't know where he'll be in 5 years..... [Reply]  [No Email]
Dick2 10-31-2012 15:42:20 174.19.205.113 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Do some more negotiating with the 20-year experienced guy. Maybe he can reduce the price a bit. Tell him that you would like to give him the job- - - "but............................" [Reply]  [No Email]
Notjustair 10-31-2012 15:40:35 174.253.135.27 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   I'm doing the same thing right now. My two recent bids were 21,000 apart. Course, that was geothermal. Use your people skills (we know you gots 'em) and lay it out for the experienced guy. I'll bet he will meet you closer to the middle when he finds it is only the cost holding you up. [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 10-31-2012 14:00:57 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Go with the guy who's been at it for 20 years.......the new guy may not be around that long. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
Achin' Back 10-31-2012 13:44:05 71.30.23.228 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Regarding your topic - a "piece" of my mind isn't worth much. My friends would probably tell you all of my mind isn't worth much. Now "peace" of mind, that's something else altogether [Reply]  [No Email]
ErnieD 10-31-2012 13:27:36 67.253.193.102 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Oats that have been through the horse always cost less. Do either have satisfied customers you can interview? [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 10-31-2012 13:45:16 79.240.157.254 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to ErnieD, 10-31-2012 13:27:36   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Both brands have real good reviews..It's really more of a people thing... [Reply]  [No Email]
ErnieD 10-31-2012 14:33:37 67.253.193.102 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 13:45:16   You are buying the brand AND the installation. Also the back up service. How much are the repair parts? [Reply]  [No Email]
evilboweivel 10-31-2012 12:44:58 70.61.59.2 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   what ever keeps SWMBO happy [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 10-31-2012 12:56:33 79.240.157.254 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to evilboweivel, 10-31-2012 12:44:58   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see she'll be happy with whatever I tell her to be happy with...... I'm the boss here.... :shock: I think the "worry" will always be there if we go with the one where the initial cash ouch will be forgotten soon enough on the other... [Reply]  [No Email]
Thesmoothedeere 10-31-2012 12:21:25 69.171.171.84 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Thought you knew everything dave . Why would u even ask us . Nice shorts btw ! [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 10-31-2012 12:35:41 79.240.157.254 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to Thesmoothedeere, 10-31-2012 12:21:25   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see little early in the day to be sauced ain't it???????? [Reply]  [No Email]
Frankmn 10-31-2012 14:17:27 184.7.172.39 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 12:35:41   The cost is soon forgotten if the quality remains [Reply]  [No Email]
Nancy Howell 10-31-2012 12:09:13 144.162.48.145 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   From what you posted, I would go with the more expensive. The doubt is not worth it. [Reply]  [No Email]
huntingreen2day2 10-31-2012 11:59:14 75.131.120.19 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Cost me over 250K for piece of mind. Cost me every day but it was worth it. [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 10-31-2012 11:50:14 67.6.219.50 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to dave2, 10-31-2012 11:45:21   Yes,go for the better unit.You will not be sorry.... [Reply]  [No Email]
rusted nuts 10-31-2012 13:33:47 98.21.105.154 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to DeltaRed, 10-31-2012 11:50:14   Go with the cheaper unit, That way we have something good to read on here. lol. [Reply]  [No Email]
LOU from Wi. 10-31-2012 15:50:21 72.160.225.99 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to rusted nuts, 10-31-2012 13:33:47   No doubt in my nmind, dave will opt for the cheaper unit.Buyer is as buyer does. lol.Can't ever remember when Dave 2 took the high ground on any purchase. Always goes with the FREE OR CHEAP bargain. Remember the kid who did the work on Daves tractors? There in lives the answer. LOU. [Reply]  [No Email]
dave2 11-01-2012 01:14:22 139.139.35.17 Report to Moderator	Re: how much is piece of mind worth??? in reply to LOU from Wi., 10-31-2012 15:50:21   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Don't start none and there won't be none lou.............. [Reply]  [No Email]