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Ford NAA

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Don Terry

10-27-2012 04:58:49
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I have a 1953 Ford NAA with a loader. The loader and rest of the hydrolic are ran from a pump at the front of the tractor. I want to remove the loader and run two lines from the pump to the hydrolic tank on tractor. I was told this will not work.




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TheOldHokie

10-28-2012 16:02:12
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to pete 23, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
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The internal hydraulics could care less about where the pump is. If it currently works with the loader it will work without the loader. It sounds like you are currently using the loader reservoir and control valve to control BOTH the 3pt and the loader by switching the loader valve between the loader cylinder and the 3 pt cylinder.

I would suggest simply hooking the suction port on the front pump into the tractor hydraulic reservoir and connecting the pressure side to the test port on the side of the tractor. Or I can sell you a nice gear pump conversion to replace your missing OEM pump ;-) A lot cheaper and more reliabe than an OEM pump!!!!

TOH



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Royse

10-27-2012 18:06:00
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to fergienewbee, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
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I'd like to see how that's plumbed in too.

It seems to me that if it works now with a selector valve then it would
work with the alternate selection (loader) capped off.



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Tony in Mass.

10-27-2012 09:34:16
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Don Terry, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
I think I know what you want, and the best thing, to keep some fluid in the pump while spinning for nothing, would be to just run a hose in a loop, with some fluid still in it. If you are runnin all day jobs, you would want a small reservior to act as a heat sink. But if you can take the pump off easily, rather do that.



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old

10-27-2012 07:35:28
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Don Terry, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
Lack of info is making it so we can not help you help your self. What are you trying to do by hooking the loader pump to the tractor hyd system??? Fill in the blanks and maybe we can help you help your self



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JMOR

10-27-2012 06:24:20
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to LJD, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDon't give up too easy.....what is your objective?



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Mike (WA)

10-27-2012 05:50:27
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Don Terry, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
If you're trying to run the tractor's internal hydraulics with the stinger pump, you're right, it won't work. The internal hydraulic system that runs the 3 point has its own pump, and you can't just splice an external pump into the system.

If you want to run a remote from it, that would be possible. You need a reservoir tank (I've used the air brake tank from a semi) and a spool valve.



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Royse

10-27-2012 05:31:01
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to gtractorfan, 10-27-2012 04:58:49  
I'm not sure what your end goal is Don.

If you are removing the loader, why do you want to keep the stinger pump?

The Jubilee already has live hydraulics to the 3 pt hitch and ability to add a
power beyond valve for a remote cylinder.



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don terry

10-27-2012 10:20:02
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Royse, 10-27-2012 05:31:01  
What i am trying to do is have hydrolics for the three point without the loader. The tractor does not have the pump for the internal hydrolics.Where the pump goes is plate off. I was told it would be expensive to replace the pump and lines.All I do with the tractor is mowing.I was goint to trade the tractor for a sub compact, but had to use the money I saved for something more important.



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Mike (WA)

10-27-2012 10:42:18
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to don terry, 10-27-2012 10:20:02  
Does it still have the 3 point arms and the lever to control it? If its only the pump thats gone, I suppose its a possibility, but still not likely. Most tractors with internal hydraulics will have the pump bolted directly to a manifold of some kind, and not just a pump hooked to the system with hoses. About the only way to find out is to take the top cover off and see what you can see.

Did you post this on the Ford board? There are surely some guys over there who are familiar enough with the NAA that they could give you an answer.

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Mike (WA)

10-27-2012 10:52:21
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Mike (WA), 10-27-2012 10:42:18  
Hold the phone- I just re-read your post.

OK- with the loader on and using the front pump, does your 3 point work now? If so, you can still make it work without he loader. All you would have to do is take the loader valve out of the circuit, I think. Would have to look at the set up to tell for sure what to do, but someone familiar with hydraulics could probably figure it out.



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Don Terry

10-27-2012 11:13:09
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Mike (WA), 10-27-2012 10:52:21  
Yes the three point works. On the control for the loader there is a knob. push in the loader works pull out the three point works.



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Mike (WA)

10-27-2012 13:02:44
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Don Terry, 10-27-2012 11:13:09  
That would be a selector valve, to allow you to use either "circuit".

I sure would be interested in seeing how that lash-up is plumbed. Pictures?



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don terry

10-30-2012 16:03:10
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 Re: Ford NAA in reply to Mike (WA), 10-27-2012 13:02:44  
I am new to this site. I will try to get some pictures uploaded. The Model of Loader is Kuchyt Metal Works Model KIL 70 Ser.Num 6567. Ever heard of them?



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