O/T Coyotes

Has anyone ever had a problem with coyotes messing with cattle? I never really thought of it until the coyotes woke me up around 3 am this morning yipping and howling... I assume they got a rabbit or something to eat. They were out in the field and my cattle pasture is right across the road. I couldn't believe how loud they were, and how close to the house they were.
 
We hear coyotes often, sometimes quite close. I have been
concerned a few times when we had small pigs in an outdoor pen
that they could have gotten into easily but they have never bothered
them at all. I like to have them around because they eat
woodchucks and things that are too plentiful otherwise.
Zach
 
Never had a problem with them before but there's alot around here. From what I know about them, they'll cause problems with small calves but they won't touch a cow or larger calf. Calves should be safe if they're with the herd and the cows are watching out for them. They also won't go in a barn, regardless of how easily they could get a calf out of there.
 
Coyotes are interesting critters. They're very adaptable, and seem to go more for rabbits and other small animals instead of livestock.

For several years when I was farming, every spring when I was in the field for the first time a coyote would follow me across the field, round after round, probably looking for field mice I'd scare up.
 
It's amazing how far their yips and howling sounds travel. You'd
think they were right next to you but they could be a mile away.

I notice that just after dusk they round up into packs for the
night's hunting. There is this big crescendo of noise and then it
gets quiet.

Around here they mainly work the creek bottoms but the creeks
are like your fingers and they migrate from finger to finger.
There is a path N and another S of my property and even after 30
years you still see them once in a while on the paths.

I have had my herd down in the bottoms on occasion. What I
first do it to send a jacka$$ down there for a night. The next
morning if he is still there I'll send the cows. Not worried about
cows, it's the calving and calves I worry about. However seldom
do you hear of a problem. Jacka$$es go after them with their
front and rear hooves and really put on a show....but it works.

Actually I like them being around because if you need something
cleaned up, usually it is gone (completely) the first or second
night. Then must have an extraordinary ability to smell.

Urbania is sprawling here and sometimes you see one right out
in plain sight during the day following the long established
migration paths of their ancestors. They just lope along looking
around but keep up their pace through yards, across highways
and all.

Mark
 
Having been in cattle/coyote country most of my life I can say that I have never seen with my eyes a coyote attacking cattle. I have seen a few newborns that coyotes had feed on. May have been still born or died soon after or coyotes killed it. Most cows with a calf will chase a coyote off but a heifer might leave it lay for the coyotes. If they kill sheep it would stand to reason to me they could kill a calf. Two song dogs sound like five. When I trapped I would have to smile when I’d find coyote poop on a trap. I would miss the song dogs in the evening if we killed them all. I like coyotes but if one comes under my tree stand I put an arrow thru him.
 
Have a lot of coyotes too.
we've had no known losses in the last two years. We feed and calve in a somewhat sheltered and contained area. The only calves lost to coyotes have been some late calvers after the herd was moved to the hills. I have suspected a coyote kill a few times, but only one now and then. I have one old cow that "heads for the hills" almost every year to calve. She will clear a four wire fence and take off, have found her and her calf a mile or more from the rest of the cows. She has never lost a calf - amazes me, don't know how she does it. Ken
 
in my experience no. ive never had a problem with coyoyes getting calves ,but there has been folks on here who swear they have problems. lots of folks really believe they have problems,but in my experience of raising cattle ive never had one single instance where i actually seen one chasing or killing a calf. seen literaly hundreds of dogs kill calves and cattle though. as for the noise,two coyotes can sound like a dozen,especialy young ones playing.you will often see coyotes hanging around at calving time , but if you sit and watch them youll find they are mainly after the afterbirth,and will follow a young calf for its milk rich excrement.they will however be on a calf thats been stillborn,and will very quickly eat a old cow thats died due to comlications during birth.it my belief that is when most folks claim a coyote kill. but like i say theres folks around who claim they will kill calves and cattle.most have never actually seen it when you question them close,and those that do say they seen it happening often report a pack of coyotes not one or two.the most ive ever actually seen personally in one pack was fifteen,and they could by sheer numbers then be a real problem. like a pack of dogs running together thier whole mentality changes for some reason. sort of like a large group of people feeding off each others fear,panic or anger.
 
Got a few pretty healthy looking coyotes around here, never had a problem with them messing with cattle or calves. Must be enough other stuff that's a lot easier to catch around. I got one cow that is such a mother that I'd almost feel sorry for any coyote that tried to test her...
 
Well it seems that I will have to dis-agree with the others about Coyotes. I have had problems with them for the last ten years or so. On the back side of my place there is a state natural area. It is full of limestone bluffs. There are hundred of small natural caves there,ideal coyote dens. The Coyote population exploded years ago. I have issues with them dragging down smaller calves that may even be a few days old and new born ones are easy targets for them. Packs of 10-15 are common. Even a group of cattle can't keep them off smaller calves with that many of the coyotes working together. If you hear them and are not having problems yet then the population is not large enough yet. Give it a few years and then you will have problems.

Some of my relatives back in southern Ohio have them bad too. One of them let their little house dog out into a chain link fenced in back yard. It was in the evening. The dog was a little one. HE was standing on the porch watching the dog. A large coyote jump the fence and grabbed the little dog and jumped back over before he could do anything about it. So you will start to loose you cats and dogs when the coyotes get thick enough or brave/used to people.

Three years ago I lost 8-9 calves and had several hurt/wounded by them. That is when we really stepped up and started thinning them out.

The DNR refused to believe that they where a problem for years. We started hunting them 5-6 years ago. Really hard three years ago. We usually will get 40-60 of them each year. They have crossed with the domestic dogs and are more aggressive than they used to be. I will not walk my pastures without a fire arm. They are a few that are even out during the day.

The guy that said they will not go into barns or building is just fooling himself. They are a predator they will go where ever they think they can get away with it.

Had several of my farm dogs hurt and killed by them. They used to come around my buildings every night. I have started shooting them, at night, a few times each year and they mostly give my building a wide berth.

Our ancestors hunted the coyotes, wolves,mountain lions, and bears out of this area for a reason. Now the tree huggers think that they should be back. I have not seen any tree huggers lining up to pay me for livestock loses. So I am supposed to provide free food for another animal that the state DNR says is theirs to control and regulate. So take the walking rats called deer and then the coyotes the farmers get hammered both ways.
 
Wouldn't think they would make it to the mountains of WNC but we got 'em too. They don't seem to bother the wild turkeys but they do keep the rabbit population down. There are some cattle farmers that keep donkeys around. Don't know if they will chase coyotes away or if they just scare them with that crazy bellerin'.
 
Several years ago we had an over run of coyotes and the Gov even put a bounty on them. We would see several in a pack. One would play with a calf and get it away from the Mom, and the others would move in for the kill, but we then would also move in for the kill. We killed over 40 in one year. Early 70's. Now they seam to hang around for the afterbirth. They were singing last night and I'm guessing hunters dressing out kill.
 
out here coyotes are thick, but ive never known them to attack cattle, or live calves, the mother will usually run it off, now they will eat at a dead one if they can, but coyotes are a far cry from a wolf, normally coyotes are individuals, they dont hunt in a cooperative pack method like wolves can and often do, also they are timid animals and prefer escape, to stand and fight, they are primarily scavengers, not hunters, so you should be fine, the one exception that might be a problem is if feral domestic dogs have been breeding with coyotes, now this is something ive heard, not something ive seen, so im not real sure if the introduction of dog genes to the coyote population is a real problem or just hearsay in the coffee shops
 
the reason you don't hear of them get'n calves is because when they take a newborn calif they take it all. soft bones are mighty tasty to a yote. And them tree huggers uses that line that coyotes don't kill calves..what a crock.
 
Well we may not be the smartest farmers in the world, but we can generally figure out when we're missing a calf, lol...

I'll never say that coyotes don't mess with calves, I can only tell you that they don't around here. They don't hunt in packs around here so one-on-one they're no match for any cow we've got.

I'm guessing it's a regional thing, like tedders. The ones that say coyote WILL take calves are the same ones who tell you tedders are a waste of money - they never raised calves around here or tried to make hay around here! :wink:

So I'll just tell you what I know, your mileage may vary...
 
Neighbour lost a yearling colt to a pack of coyotes.
Now it depends if your coyotes are the south western US
version . Or if they are the north east version that are cross
bred with the Eastern Red Wolf.
Best and worst of both. The curiosity, cleverness and
boldness of a coyote. With a large bodied animal with large
powerful jaws that hunts in packs.
 
that would be a problem out here in the southwest there more an annoyance to cattlemen, now sheep or chickens there a problem
 
I have spent my life raising cows in coyote country. I have heard many stories of coyotes killing baby calfs, I don't believe most of them. It does happen, probably when there is a number of coyotes in a pack. I have never lost any, but coyotes love to clean up after birth and cows don't like them around (or dogs). So my answer is "yes" but very seldom.
 
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Thanks for all the replies... I think I still may set some traps and see what happens."
A lot more fun with a coyote caller (rabbit squealer) and a high powered rifle. Just at day break is best.
 
NEBeef I will gladly let you have the coyotes we have around here. When I find a few day old calf, that was fine the day before, killed and half eat then I don't really have to wonder what caused the trouble. At first we thought we had a domestic dog problem but we soon saw the coyotes doing the damage. I had to get DNR permission to go on the state land to hunt them. They researched the problem and the local DNR ranger wrote a report to the state that he had found the coyote population was causing trouble with the local livestock. Then about five years ago the state DNR let us hunt them year round. They used to be protected here in Iowa.

The coyotes we had when I was a kid did not cause much trouble but these are different. These are larger and more aggressive. I know they will cross with the domestic dogs. You can see it in some of them. They have hair or coloring that is not from a coyote. I have also seen some dogs that live with them. These coyotes also seem to hunt in a more pack like manner too. They are adapting to the current times.

I have often wondered if it is not the expanding deer herd that is not causing the issue. There are way more deer now that when I was a kid. So the predator animals have a more abundant food supply.

So I will refrain from making a smarta$$ comment running others down that say they have or have not had any problems with coyotes.

As far as the hay tedder comment. That is real regional too. In areas with low humidity they are not much use. In areas with humidity they are very useful.

NEBeef think about how you are posting. You basically called a bunch of us lairs. Many on here are starting to do this. If it gets too bad then many will just stop posting at all. I have been real close in the last several months to doing that.
 
JDseller -

I did not call anyone a liar. Sorry if you read it that way, but in fact I said exactly the opposite. I said I can - and will - only tell you what I know, not what you know. I said that coyotes and tedders are regional, you've said as much yourself.

Please read my posts a little more carefully before you make accusing statements like that...
 
I'm just a mechanic, not into farming or raising cattle at all, but I work for, or have talked with, enough local farmers/cattle men to know that they have had problems with coyotes getting at their cattle since they were reintroduced into this area some years back. What I have been told, and see happening now, is that most fields with cattle in them also have a mule or two in there also. I don't know what the mule's claim to fame is, but I've been told that they are a pretty good deterent for the coyotes. Everyone that I know that got the mules to go in with their cattle stopped coyote having problems shortly after putting them in the fence. Might sound like a bunch of BS, and like I said, I just work on equipment, but I've been told it works by the people that have tried it.....
 
> The guy that said they will not go into barns or building is just fooling himself. They are a predator they will go where ever they think they can get away with it.

No doubt about that. A couple of years ago my young son looked out the window one the morning and shouted for me to get the gun because there was a coyote in the yard. Before I could get a shot off she ran into the hen house, grabbed a hen right out of a nest box and was gone.

I used to think people who say they take down healthy calves were exaggerating the threat, but a couple of years ago a I saw a coyote low-crawling up on a sleeping few-day-old calf in the tall grass right in front of my house. Another case of being out of range before I could get outside with the gun, but she didn't get a chance to touch the calf. Luckily, my bull noticed her when she was only about 20 ft away from the calf and gave chase. If that coyote had enough sense to attack at night instead of attempting daring daylight robberies she'd have had that calf.
 
so you believe that they regularly kill our calves and were just too ignorant to notice? or cant count?dream on.. i dont say they couldnt kill calves,and i have no doubt they have .but i dont think its real common,and when it does happen its a local deal, normaly when coyotes pack up for whatever reason, and if you read the responses here youll find thats mostly true. one HUGE difference between cattle that a lot of us raise and others is these are range cattle instead of basicaly cattle kept in a pasture and fed daily. makes a difference on the whole demeaner of the cows. vast areas,even with high populations of coyotes mean simply less problems because other food is available.put ten coyotes in one square mile and youll naturaly have more problems than those same coyotes in a hundred square miles or even ten. i shoot and hunt coyotes regularly, but its not because of them killing cattle,its because they also eat mainly the small game i want to see and use for food. do i shoot all i see,no way, wouldnt even consider doing it. very rarely does a old cow have a calf on my range that i dont know about,and its rarely more than a day before i band or tag it.the loop around my places covers close to 300 miles of road travel alone. i think i know how to count groups of cattle,and can tell if one has a calf or not. in all my years, in all those miles, i simply have never seen a coyote get a calf or even chase a calf. most of my cows dont even pay attention to one anymore than they would a jackrabbit.
 
I would not doubt it being very possible, the ones we have here are larger than I have seen out west, they are aggressive, bold enough to show up in broad daylight, I have witnessed a large one running a deer middle of the day, and that deer had its tongue out, was running him hard. I had an opportunity to sneak up on one that bed down in the sun one morning, was 200 yards out, I got close enough to kick it with my foot, was years back, nice size, he eventually turned his head, saw me hovering over him and instantly jumped and took off across the corn, I could hear him tearing across, had that been in more recent times, he'd have gone nowhere.

You would think cattle might just be too big, but I would not rule them out, these coyotes seem to eat all the normal things, voles, mice, and similar, but I know they will run full size deer, besides easily taking fawns. I've been able to shoot one so far, suckers show up outside my house and keep me up at night, deer too, had 2 bucks outside my bedroom window rattling horns last week, thought someone was messin with me, headed in for archery nice and early, LOL nope 1 8 pt and a smaller 4-6pt, been real quiet on coyotes lately which is odd, they do come and go, sometimes stay a long while, I do not trust them, always carry a weapon or have something stashed nearby like a hardwood stick.
 
My 2 cents:

Someone I trust once told me that if you have coyotes and they aren't bothering anything, them leave them be, they are doing some good eating the vermin. If they are bothering livestock then its time for them to go.

His reasoning was that if you kill a pair of "good" coyotes, how do you know the next pair that moves in will be "good."
 
Its common here for cattle farmers to loose calves to Coyotes and no one can raise sheep or goats without a Livestock Guard Dog or some other protection.Easy to tell the difference between a dog and Coyote attack as dogs will attack from the rear and coyotes usually grap around the neck and face area.Even had one a couple years ago after chickens that growled at me one night the growled lasted about 1 second before he lost his head.Old would have been proud.(LOL)
 
Growing up in central Minnesota we never heard of a coyote in the area. Then about 15 years ago I hit one with my pickup - just tapped his tail as I sped by about 55.
Then we started hearing them at night once in a while camping up at my land.
2 years ago while hunting I shot a big doe.
I waited for a while and then went to check if I could find her. Found her not far away but then my buddy shot so I left her there and went to help him recover his deer.
We got back to my deer about an hour later and a coyote had already started eating into my doe.
He had opened her up at the ribs where the bullet exited and had eaten all around her ribs and was just getting into the tenderloin.
We still kept the doe and cut that part away but now we don't leave them lay for very long as they are opportunists and don't wait around if there is a meal handy.
 
they get wise to a call pretty quick if there is other hunters around you. best way ive found is to get where you can see quite a ways. in the thick stuff they get so close they nearly always bust me before i even see them, and i just get a glimpse of them as they are leaving.it helps also sometimes if you use a electronic call and put the speaker away from you.
 
greenie........I have some sheep herder acquaintances that gitt grayhound rescue dogs that can outrun enny coyote. Then they haffta catch up and put the confused coyote outta missouri (grin) Remember, eat more delicious lamb, 50,000 coyotes can't all be wrong ........Dell, head shepherd Rocky Ridge Sheep Station
 
In NE Kansas they seem to leave the calves alone, just a bit too big. But baby goats and baby sheep are on their menu.

Two years ago I was shocked to see one trot into our yard in the middle of the day and chase all our cats up a tree. He sat under the tree with his head up like he expected one to come down to him. I happened to have a little 22 Mag handy and stepped out on the porch and lined him up. He looked at me and started to WALK away like I didn't matter - he tore off at dead run after the first one hit him in the arse - I was trying to clear it to hit him in the head. I caught him in the head with the second shot when he was about 100 yards away and still running hard.
 
I have never had a problem with them killing calves or anything but one night about two years ago they woke me up in the middle of the night howl'n real close to the house. Don't know what was going on but they ran cows and calves through every fence on the farm. Any where two lots came together in a corner was down. Took three days to get every thing back where it needed to be and get hot wires back up.

Never tired it,,,, but have been told that coyotes are like catfish and will eat any thing dead that's easy to get to like say chicken liver about head high. Ever limb lined catfish?

Dave
 
Dave, that is what I don't want... is them scaring the cows through the fence. Neighbors think there is a den up in our woods. Maybe its time to get rid of them for good. Anyone got any good hunting tricks for coyotes?
 
Coyote hunters in New Mexico will have the chance to compete for a couple of high-caliber grand prizes just in time for the holidays — a pair of Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifles.

A shooting range and gun store in Albuquerque is hosting a two-day contest to see who can kill the most coyotes, despite protests from environmentalists.

KOB-TV reports that Calibers Shooting Sports Center is holding the challenge for two-member teams beginning Dec. 1.

Susan Weiss, an advocate for the "Coexist with Coyotes" group, calls the competition "immoral and disgusting."

Caliber's owner, Ryan Burt, says he came up with the idea after he was approached by several ranchers from around the state who have been dealing with coyotes harming livestock.

Coyotes have no protection under New Mexico law.
 
Maybe I am turning into a softy in my old age. I don't think any animal should be allowed to suffer in a leg hold trap. Close one on your wrist sometime. Stan
 
Lost four calves to Coyotes a few years back. They
tore up the undersides of the calves and didn't eat
the fleshy meat. Game commission guy agreed they
were coyote kill.
 
Lost four calves to Coyotes a few years back. They
tore up the undersides of the calves and didn't eat
the fleshy meat. Game commission guy agreed they
were coyote kill.
 
now thats a good one!!! snares are the way to go if you can find where their crossing a fence. at a corner post is best most of the time because every one has to stop and mark it. back when we were using cyanide guns, i would gather up every old cow skull i could find.stand it up in the middle of a pasture on a short stake and not a coyote in the world could resist checking it out. dont know if they knew bones were there,and were checking for scraps or were just curious. but if you used them for markers it would sure pull them in.made it easy to find your guns also so you were sure to get them all picked up.out here on the shortgrass plains you could find a high spot and check all your traps with field glasses because you could see those old bleached skulls for a half mile. worked good for legholds also because if you set it up right coyote would knock it down when he got in trap.and you didnt have to leave any scent checking traps. if skull was laying down most often had one or he had pulled out. really amazing was when you would get a old coyote that had pulled out of a trap before,or felt one that wasnt set solid.they were smart enough to figure out your set and would very carefully dig around the trap and expose it then take the bait.after about three or four times though they would get over confident if you set the trap back in the same spot. they knew it was there and where to dig to expose it so if you made a blind set beside and a little in front of it (depending if they were right or left handed) youd often catch him. really pretty smart little creatures,to me anymore its more fun to sit and watch them especially if they run across something new and they are trying to figure it out.
 
no protection here either,coyote calling contests are pretty common in these parts.used to be lots of guys who would chase them with greyhounds but since they closed a lot of the greyhound racing tracks you just dont see them much anymore.
 
Like kyplowboy suggested limb lines do work.A pro trapper for the county uses this method and has good results. Baits them up in the evening and runs the lines in the early morning and eliminates them . Presently The federal government has a program here in east Texas coastal area using cyanide bait stations for feral hogs and coyotes.
 
Coyotes need to be given a shot and that makes them no trouble, 180 grains of lead is my favorite. I just lost a 2 year old 100 pound guard dog (Great Pyrnees) to coyotes or wolves. Around here they are often interbred with wolves and cause a lot of trouble. people use donkeys too, they will trample a wolf, the noise they make scares the dead, and they will herd the other animals away from trouble. I only have an old female and 2 5 month old pups to protect my sheep now, may have to go buy another one.
 
Here in north east pa the game commission calls them coy
dogs meaning there coyotes/dog these are the size of German
shepards most have a close resemblance to them as well.
Only domestic animals they bother here are sheep and small
dogs and cats. Here they hunt in packs. When they first
showed up here in the 1990"s they killed a lot of sheep spring
birthing season was worst they had pups to train. As years
went on the killings slowed down also our deer population has
dwindled. As I recall the first time the killings ceased for a
couple months my uncle seen a pair of coyotes in a field and
shot one well that night they killed more sheep than ever. Next
time they stopped for awhile same thing so now nobody is
allowed to shoot coyotes near the farm unless there have
been sheep killings. I"m no expert this is just our observations
but my theory is as the coyotes became more wild and
coyotish with less dog in them they settled down to more
natural prey. Yes we tried the donkey trick it kind of worked
problem is you got one or two donkeys its hard for them to
keep up with 15-20 coyotes. Yes we had packs that big and
bigger.
 
Yes,,,, from what I have been told,,,,, it's a real good idea to check them REAL early in the morn'n. Might want to tell local coon hunters to give you a heads up when they are go'n to be in the area and ask neigbors you like that they may want to put their dogs on a chain at night for a while. Been told,,,,, if a pack comes by and one goes after it you may not find much,,,, they say it's wild to see a just a head swing'n in the morn'n light.

Dave
 
Yes jack thats exactly what I do think, we have people like you all across this country. All anyone has to do is read a few of your post to see where you're coming from. There was a time I was considered the best coyote busting buckaroo in this part of the country. Had a rancher that thought the way you think about them cuties, also had a rancher friend that couldn't hit the side of a barn standing inside it, he did the driving I did the killing.We was passing the ranch where the rancher didn't allow killing critters on his ranch. I told my friend to stop and look at what the coyotes are doing with the newborn calf. the calf was lying down and the mama cow was doing it's best to keep them off the calf. there were four coyotes on flat ground and I could ended all their lives before they could outrun my 25.05. My friend said shoot'em and I said no, told him the rancher likes to feed his coyotes newborn calf meat. Next morning the farmers and ranchers meet for coffee at the local pit stop and my friend tells the rancher what we saw on his place about a 100 yards off the road, the rancher jumped up and headed out to his place. He then stopped by my shop and said he found were she had the calf and then found the mama cow but no calf, next thing he said was why in hell didn't I shoot them damn coyotes? I ask him didn't he remember telling me he didn't allow people shoot'n coyotes on his place? he said that was before he heard I was the best coyote busting buckaroo in Texas. I did shoot a few on his place before I was convinced coyotes didn't kill newborn and all they actually did with'em was take'em home for the pups to raise and start their own spread.
 
A guy I know just got certified as a wolf/coyote
expert by the MN DNR. Had to go to a two day seminar about wolf hunting.
MN reopened wolf hunting for the first time in 30+ years this year.
Lotta resistance to wolf hunting from the bunny huggers but they got it passed in the Legislature.
Lots of hoops before you can pull the trigger or set the trap.
My friend spent a lot of dough on electronic calls, camoflage and a great .223 hunting 'yotes.
State asked him, not the other way around.
Some day the yotes and or wolves are gonna eat a kid or two coming home from a rural bus stop.
My only hope is that it's a bunny hugger's kid.
Let them know that your warm and fuzzy critter doesn't worship you like you do him.
Greg1959, I expected much more flack from your pictures. But it didn't happen. Good.
My name is Jerry and I approve this message.
 
They've been getting pretty bad around central Michigan too.
Buddy of mine said a pack was 50 feet or so off his porch, and he thought
they were after him.
He was shouting at them and waving his arms, expecting them to run, but they didn't.
Until his wife opened the house door to bring him a gun and their little dogs ran inside.
They lost interest and left apparently.
I wonder what they would do to a man that tried to stop them with his bare hands.
 
Do alot of yote hunting, average 18-20 a year. No electronic calls, just good old school hunting. SE MI!
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I have had them run between my house and barn, while I was in the barn. They have ran my ducks into the pond trying to get them, again while I was in the barn. They are like any other hungry predator, they will kill whatever they can to survive.

A fair amount of smaller dogs and cats have gone missing over the last couple years in the area. When I had two english mastiffs running the property, they would keep their distance. Now there is nothing to keep them away. Biggest so far is 55 lbs. In the last year there have been 2 70 pounders shot here. All the coyotes here in the Mid-West/Eastern US have Red Wolf cross bred in.

I use a 30-.06 with the 55 grain loads. Its like a .223 on super steroids. But, I have no houses where I shoot for 2 miles behind me. Dropped one with 220 grains, looked like a Mack truck went through the center of it.

Rick
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Coyotes killed a woman in New Brunswick and they have attacked children.They will kill new born calves.You must be one of those bunny huggers who is unaware of the facts.The deer population is way down here.Ive seen photos of coyotes carrying off deer fawns.They do kill by tearing out guts first..Ignorance is bliss.
 
even before reading the article in your link, i could tell you no coyotes are gonna takedown a deer that size. just ridiculous. are you a politician perhaps? read the article.
 
Bobbyboy-My response was to the effect that if a yote could take down a deer, even if "It was highly probable that the buck was ill and would have died anyway". A calf, goat or sheep has little to no defense against a yote.
 
what a crock of bs your spouting!I have no love of coyotes , ive shot them,called them,ran them with dogs,chased them with mules,trapped them, poisoned them,snared them, for over seventy years. both for fun and profit. ive also kept them as pets ,sold them to folks who wanted them, and on and on and on. nothing about a coyote much surprises me anymore. let me ask you a few questions. in the scenario you describe above,was that coyote ALONE?? you say IN YOUR OWN WORDS there were at least four. havnt i said when they get together in a pack they are more likely to kill,or did you skip that post? you say calf was down when you spotted it,again in your OWN WORDS.Was that calf definitly alive OR was it stillborn? or do you actually know? laying down,in grass,100 yards from road,just born, you got good eyes boy if you could tell. get a life, enjoy your coyote hunting,i did for years,and still do occasionaly. if i think their bothering my cattle ,i will again. so far every single calf,or cow, ive SEEN with my own two eyes ACTUALLY KILLED of my own place or others,has been done by dogs or other things than coyotes.around here where my house is,ANY DOG even seen in a pasture is shot by most ranchers,any coyote is not given a second look.in fact most guys here like them simply because they eat the cats that run feral everywhere when they can catch them.I dont like shooting dogs and never have ,but ive done it a lot.dont like shooting coyotes anymore either, though ive done that alot. i dont like shooting horses ,did that also.dont like shooting cattle, done that also. add in sheep,hogs,in fact most american animals wild and domestic.but when i do i have never lost one seconds sleep over it either.if that makes me a tree hugging fool so be it.but my bloodlust and need to kill everything that moves has sort of cooled over the years.You told me a story ,let me tell you one.back about fifteen years ago fellow called me saying coyotes were killing all his calves,and wanted to hire me to hopefully either kill every single one,or at very least thin them out to a livable number. so i go out and try calling first,and got exactly one coyote.when i talked to the rancher he said oh his son had treid that before so i figured he had them educated. so i took my leghold traps out. caught two coyotes in two weeks,in pastures there were no cattle in. then i tried cyanide guns.not one single coyote,or animal of any kind did i kill. this went on for maybe a month, 8 calves ,and even one full grown healthy cow killed in that period of time. all fed on and he swore they had been killed by coyotes,in a month i had seen and killed acactly three coyotes on two thousand acres.he had pulled all his cattle off his pastures had them in home lots and was still losing calves. i told him from the start i didnt think coyotes were killing his calves,but since he was paying me to get rid of them and i took the job i killed them. UNTIL one morning when he and i just happened to be coming up to his place watching for coyotes.he was driving and i was just like you ready to do the shooting. all of a sudden we saw a small calf fly up in the air above a board corral fence, strangest thing you ever saw,was sitting there sort of dumbfounded when it happened again.so we jumped out of the truck,ran over and there stood his horse. he had ran a calf until it couldnt run anymore, then he was picking it up in his teeth and throwing it in the air naturally killing it. farmer yelled at me to "shoot that S@B" and i gave it a 44 between the eyes that dropped it where it stood.that night the coyotes partially ate calf and horse.and the killing stopped.next day you would have sworn coyotes had killed a calf and horse. only thing out of the oridinary was a bullet hole between that horses eyes.IF you read the "sign" coyotes had ran a calf up into corner of pen,horse had tried to protect it and both had been killed.
 
Back in about 1970, I SAW a pair of coyotes trying to get a just newborn calf. The momma cow was going crazy trying to protect the still wet calf, rearing up and stomping at the coyotes. Unfortunately, I was about 1/8 mile away, and without a firearm.

By the time I got to where the cow and calf were, the coyotes had run off. Unfortunately, the calf was dead. Apparently the cow had stepped on the calf"s head while she was jumping around. The cow was still really upset, and acted aggressively toward me, so I just left her alone. She stayed with the calf all night and half of the next day, but then she started feeding again. Within a few days, the coyotes and magpies had almost completely removed traces of the dead calf.

For about a year after that, I carried a scoped 30.06 when I walked out on the property and shot at every coyote I glimpsed, season or not. I mostly missed, but I know I killed one, since it was dropped right there, but I am pretty sure I hit several others, hopefully good enough to kill them. I tracked them, but never found a carcass. As you might have guessed, I have no use for coyotes.

We didn"t have any problems around our area with coyotes for years after that. We didn"t see them, and didn"t hear them at night. I hope it was because they were afraid of someone shooting at them in our area.

I still live on a corner of our old ranch, which my Dad subdivided into many parcels. I think there are 10 families living on the property now, so I almost never shoot a high powered rifle anymore. I don"t think it would be safe to shoot--too many people! And I hear coyotes almost every night. In almost suburbia, there is nothing to do about them anymore.

I wish the coyotes would take care of the young deer. We have WAY too many deer too.

Good luck with your coyote problem.
 
Something similar here. There were always coyotes around even though I was shooting them dead.
Shot at a pair, killed one and wounded the other coyote. The cripple hobbled off and there were no more coyotes around our yard for three years.
Possibly the wounded coyote warned the others away?
 
Bobby, Are you afraid to use your real handle here?
If you are against trapping coyotes why don't you just not trap them?
For the rest of us leave us alone.
 
We had some trouble with Yotes and Wolves getting a few calves here and there. We would shoot every coyote we saw but didn't seem to help. We now keep a couple Miniature donkeys around and haven't had any problems since. In the summer with the windows open you will often hear them start braying at all hours of the night. I've gone out in the pasture the following morning and found dead/mostly dead coyotes and often times fur and chunks of flesh.
 

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