Call out to DaveII !!!! Push mower fixed!!!!

JDseller

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Hey!!!! Dave will you where out playing with the goats yesterday I fixed the grand daughter's push mower. It was raining here as well, so I did some shop work.

To bring the guys up to speed on this old issue. My grand daughter has a push mower that has a B&S engine on it. She had it over speed a few weeks ago. She brought it to me to fix. The original problem was the little plastic air vane was broken so the governor could not work. I ordered a new one an installed it and then the thing would not start. Replaced the coil, new plug, checked and adjusted the valves, cleaned the carb. Still no fire. Checked it and it had good bright blue spark. Good compression too. It would not even run putting fuel into the plug hole. I posted on here for some ideas on the problem.

Solution: I marked TDC on the flywheel screen and made a mark on the shroud to line the flywheel mark up with. I then hooked my timing light up on it with a battery providing power to the timing light. I then cranked the mower over. It was firing about 45 degrees after top dead center. How could it do that??? The flywheel key was fine. I finally took a flywheel of another B&S motor I had here. Installed it and the mower started first pull. What the he!!. I took it back off and put the original back on it. Nothing still firing way late. So I put the other flywheel back on it and finished adjusting the carb. Grand Daughter came and got it this morning after church.

After lunch today I got to thinking about how the flywheel could be bad after being over revved. I got a magnifying glass out and looked it over real close. Two of the little fins in the magnet where gone. In bright light and with the magnifying glass you could see where they had been in the flywheel. The break point was shiny but back in the magnet 1/4 inch or so. The magnet was a little weaker then. I guess that changed the magnetic field enough to make it fire late.

First time I ever seen or heard of that happening. I broke the darn thing into pieces as it looked new and I did not want to get it mixed up with a good one. I should have kept it around to mess with some one with. LOL

So I got something productive done while Dave II was goat training. LMAO
 
Has anyone heard of reversed polarity on those flywheels. A few years ago, friend of mine was was working on his briggs motor in riding mower. I was working on another tractor in his shop and helping him with the mower here and there like adjust valves etc. When he got it done it started but ran terrible, back firing etc. We have a local small engine shop where he had picked up parts and the guy told him to bring him the flywheel, he checked it and just gave him another one. Ran fine with that one. Can't remember all the details if he was going to reverse it or what but I had never heard of that before. I think that was original flywheel but don't remember the failure problem with the engine.
 
That is also a new one on me. I have so many engines, i am going to take a known good one to have spark and break the fins off by the magnet and see first hand.
 
That is also a new one on me. I have so many engines, i am going to take a known good one to have spark and break the fins off by the magnet and see first hand.
 
JD,
Who would have thunk it. Definately never heard a bad flywheel. Wish you would have posted a pic of the problem.
George
 
Uncletom: It was not the cooling fins. The magnet in this flywheel was a laminated one. You know a whole bunch of thin metal strips stacked on top of each other. I think it came real close to exploding when it ran off. A few of the thin metal strips broke off and came out of the stack.

I did not look at the magnet that close when I was working on it before. I never had a flywheel go bad this way. I have had them lose magnetism or even throw the whole magnet out but not just a little.
 
(quoted from post at 15:14:16 09/02/12) Hey!!!! Dave will you where out playing with the goats yesterday I fixed the grand daughter's push mower. It was raining here as well, so I did some shop work.

To bring the guys up to speed on this old issue. My grand daughter has a push mower that has a B&S engine on it. She had it over speed a few weeks ago. She brought it to me to fix. The original problem was the little plastic air vane was broken so the governor could not work. I ordered a new one an installed it and then the thing would not start. Replaced the coil, new plug, checked and adjusted the valves, cleaned the carb. Still no fire. Checked it and it had good bright blue spark. Good compression too. It would not even run putting fuel into the plug hole. I posted on here for some ideas on the problem.

Solution: I marked TDC on the flywheel screen and made a mark on the shroud to line the flywheel mark up with. I then hooked my timing light up on it with a battery providing power to the timing light. I then cranked the mower over. It was firing about 45 degrees after top dead center. How could it do that??? The flywheel key was fine. I finally took a flywheel of another B&S motor I had here. Installed it and the mower started first pull. What the he!!. I took it back off and put the original back on it. Nothing still firing way late. So I put the other flywheel back on it and finished adjusting the carb. Grand Daughter came and got it this morning after church.

After lunch today I got to thinking about how the flywheel could be bad after being over revved. I got a magnifying glass out and looked it over real close. Two of the little fins in the magnet where gone. In bright light and with the magnifying glass you could see where they had been in the flywheel. The break point was shiny but back in the magnet 1/4 inch or so. The magnet was a little weaker then. I guess that changed the magnetic field enough to make it fire late.

First time I ever seen or heard of that happening. I broke the darn thing into pieces as it looked new and I did not want to get it mixed up with a good one. I should have kept it around to mess with some one with. LOL

So I got something productive done while Dave II was goat training. LMAO


Yea..... But does it shake hands?????????????

Guess you can start workin on that little garden tractor project now :roll:

Good for ya...
 
JDSeller ,

I've never heard of ( not saying that it's not possible though ), a flywheel tearing up like you said . Sure that the repair store didn't give you a slightly different coil from your original one . If you hadn't tore it up you could check the magnets position in relation to the crank key slot on the old flywheel against the same locations of the same on the new one to see if they matched and lined up , that sounds more like it , but you have to also take into consideration the valve timming as well as TDC all being right too .

Whizkid
 
I out all the original ignition components back on the mower. I will keep the new stuff for the next one.

The flywheels where the exact same one. Even the casting numbers matched. I have never seen one do this either.

I think it was just a few RPMs from exploding.

I told the grand daughter to sell the thing at her next yard sale and I would get her a better quality one. She is going to finish out this year with it. Maybe 3-4 mowingss. Her yard is only 75 x 100 ft. at the most.
 


[b:966a224190]Has anyone heard of reversed polarity on those flywheels......????[/b:966a224190]


When the poles reverse on this earth, will all small engines that use magnets to fire the spark plugs cease to start??? :shock:
 

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