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davediehl@hotmail.com 08-07-2012 06:04:35 173.30.211.28 Report to Moderator	Motorcycles rarely win... Linked here. [Reply]   [No Email]
sideconsole4020guy 08-08-2012 18:48:55 216.249.194.192 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Actually those wheel centers must break fairly easy, we had a tractor in the dealer I work at come in the guy had to drive into the ditch to avoid something and even with duals it cracked the mounting area on the inner cast center where it bolts to the rim, and we had a motorcycle accident here about 4 years ago a guy way hauling liquid manure with a 8630 or 8440 and was making a left turn and a guy on a 2 wheeled death machine came up really fast passing the cars that slowed to let the guy turn with the tractor and the kamakazi biker drove at like 75 right into the center pivot of the tractor [Reply]  [No Email]
Royse 08-08-2012 17:32:18 69.36.49.151 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Bell helmet used to have a slogan that read "If you've got a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet." Disclaimer: No tractors were harmed in the creation of these photos. Just a deer, a bike and some skin and bone. Possibly a little pride. LOL I was wearing a helmet and I bought another bike a few weeks later. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tim Barnes 08-08-2012 07:21:28 98.84.199.99 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   I stopped riding years ago. While I was in the Army you had to wear long sleeves, gloves, long pants, shoes that covered the ankle, windshield or goggles/face shied and a helmet. Then they decided that you had to wear a reflective vest like road construction workers wear. That's when I quit riding. Rick[/quote] Our Base Commander, upon assuming command of the base, immediately outlawed motorcycles and scooters. You could own one but had to keep if off the area. His previous experience at a training base with so many troops getting hurt, he made 'em illegal. [Reply]  [No Email]
The Dukester 08-08-2012 07:05:20 204.106.241.43 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Sad, but from my own personal observations many, if not most, motorcyclists ride too fast, take chances, ride without helmets and apparently think they own the road, Yes, there are some very careful,courteous,careful,riders that wear all kinds of protective gear, but they are few compared to the other types. [Reply]  [No Email]
Fullers Farmalls 08-07-2012 20:52:47 72.77.104.49 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   To add a reply... This sounds very harsh but is very true. Helmets are not required because of insurance companies.... My sister is in a medical program and was told they don't require helmets because when you crash with out one you die rather then with one and become severely injured and have large medical bills. Then the insurance companies must pay more. Yes thats harsh but when you look at it, it makes sense. [Reply]  [No Email]
RayP(MI) 08-07-2012 18:11:07 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Yeah, and here"s another: brushogging [Reply]  [No Email]
Diydave 08-07-2012 17:51:41 96.244.161.24 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   I bet if they look close, on that tractor wheel center, they will find a rusty crack in the wheel center. No way I'm believing a motor cycle and 2 people could break that much steel! [Reply]  [No Email]
flyingace 08-07-2012 16:32:12 208.101.209.179 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   I used to think that helmets were unnecessary. I used to live close to the Kansas/MO border. I went for a ride and took off the 'stupid' helmet in Kansas. Then, on the way back to MO., I had to stop and put it on. A few minutes later, a 16-year-old kid ran a stop sign and I center punched his truck. I went right down on my head. I was unconscious for about 20-30 minutes, but I did wake up. The ER doc said no question I would have been killed without that helmet as my skull would have hit the pavement and cracked wide open. Wear helmets. I'll never ride a bike without one again. [Reply]  [No Email]
36 coupe 08-07-2012 17:32:04 66.186.169.176 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to flyingace, 08-07-2012 16:32:12   I was at a motorcycle race in Laconia Nh many years ago.A racer went down on a corner slid along on his helment.The black top wore a 3 inch hole in his helmet.A friend was turning onto his street at low speed, skidded on some sand.He went into the ditch, his helmet hit the only big stone in a 2o foot ditch. [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY 08-07-2012 13:47:04 67.248.100.3 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   I still can't get past or correlate the wheel center breaking and the wheel coming off, from the impact of a motorcycle, if it hit the tire only, you would think some of the impact would be absorbed, protecting the wheel. It would also seem impossible unless the wheel took the impact directly in the center, have no idea what the wheel center metal is, looks like it sheared off. I've seen enough motorcycle accidents first hand, having been part of one, (I was driving a car) and being on the scene or witnessing same, the frequency of accidents is incredible. The most visible result of impact I ever saw was when a motorcyclist while in traffic in front of me, slammed into a NYC taxi cab on the FDR drive, the trunk area was pushed into the backseat, it looked like the cab was going in reverse at high speed and hit a tree or utility pole, well the latter would probably snap, was in a work van and got t-boned, left one heck of a dent, but a tractor wheel coming off, that's just hard to figure. Does not matter, somewhere there are grieving families. [Reply]  [No Email]
37Chief 08-07-2012 12:34:31 68.8.206.100 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Seams about every day I hear of a motorcycle accident here in Cal. It is the law to wear a helmet. Most of the problems are the inexperienced riders. I was driving the freeway a while back around 60. This idiot passes me riding on the rear wheel. A few are the cars fault, drivers not paying attention. I have a few motorcycles. I keep two licensed for the road, and two licensed for off road. Just pay attention out there if you ride. Stan [Reply]  [No Email]
Greenday 08-07-2012 11:44:09 204.185.166.6 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   If people dont want to wear helmets then fine, but when they become injured from a motorcycle accident and become permanently injured or disabled then they should be exempt from being able to recieve any benefits from the goverment(disability). I have ridden on and off for 30 years and always wear a helmet. Its just common sense. [Reply]  [No Email]
bob featherstone 08-07-2012 10:34:25 207.219.69.221 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   gotta ask ............ and i do have a cycle license & have ridden off & on for 40 years states / provinces that will write tickets for " no seat belts ", how can they even allow , #1 motorcycles on the road , and #2 , motorcycles with no helmets ??????????????? i get the whole " choice " thing, but why does it not carry over to cars & trucks ?? ie i " choose " to wear a seat belt. or i " choose " to ride with zero protection on a 2 wheel crotch rocket ??????? some times with no head protection ? ( not that it does any good most of the time ) just wish some one could logically connect those dots for me bob [Reply]  [No Email]
MichiganMH 08-07-2012 09:09:12 160.109.120.36 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to Phil Scarborough, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Michigan just recently repealed their helmet law, people claim it should be their freedom to choose to wear one. Me an my wife both own motorcycles (Harleys), we will both wear DOT approved helmets, not matter what the law says. I knew someone who died from hitting their head falling off a step ladder.... [Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund 08-07-2012 09:31:33 207.241.137.116 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to MichiganMH, 08-07-2012 09:09:12   There was one north of Grand Rapids last night,no helmet,less than half a mile from home. Speed was a factor acording to the news. [Reply]  [No Email]
Fixerupper 08-07-2012 09:09:02 100.42.82.164 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   We came up on a car/motorcycle accident last week. It was on four lane 65 MPH. A cycle with a man and woman passed us, and about five miles down the road they were laying in the grass a long way out from the intersection with the cycle laying about twice as far out. Heard on the news the next day they were on the inside lane beside a car when the car decided to change lanes quick to make a left turn, and turned into them. The man was injured but the lady wasn't that lucky. They were a man and wife in their thirties. I hope some little children didn't lose their mom. BTDT. Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
ShadetreeRet 08-07-2012 08:28:24 184.4.18.44 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   At least this one had a better ending. This morning our local paper reported that on Sunday a lady in a 94 Ford pickup turned left in front of a motorcycle. The rider's estimated speed at impact was 30mph. Although it didn't state specifically, obviously his helmet saved the rider because it stated that he was face down under the rear wheel of the truck. Several people stopped and some lifted the truck and others pulled him out from underneath. He was transported to the local hospital where he was treated and released. [Reply]  [No Email]
oldsarge 08-07-2012 06:52:56 66.114.186.6 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   36coupe;Sorry to disagree but the single greatest cause is a car turning left in front of an oncoming bike.You can see it in the accident pictures,bike lying on its'side by a smashed in right front fender or passenger door. [Reply]  [No Email]
36 coupe 08-07-2012 06:14:31 66.186.169.176 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Motorcycles are killing 4 to 5000 people every year.They usually hit other motorcycles. [Reply]  [No Email]
Farmall 200 08-07-2012 06:49:30 67.76.157.197 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to 36 coupe, 08-07-2012 06:14:31   It's cars and trucks turning left across the motorcycle's path that cause most motorcycles accidents. What little I ride I have had it happen to me several times that I had to take evasive action. People apparently don't see the motorcycle headlight or misjudge it and turn in front of them. [Reply]  [No Email]
36 coupe 08-07-2012 16:10:50 66.186.169.176 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to Farmall 200, 08-07-2012 06:49:30   You are wrong, most cycle accidents are cycle to cycle.I had an Indian 74 in the 50s sold it before it got me. [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 08-07-2012 06:10:41 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 08-07-2012 06:04:35   Dang! They must have really been moving to knock that rear tire off of the tractor. What up with the "they were not wearing helmits.....I really don't think helmits would have helped them. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
MF Poor 08-07-2012 08:37:08 72.4.0.230 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to oldtanker, 08-07-2012 06:10:41   "What's up with the "they were not wearing helemts"???? NHTSA statistics bear out the fact that wearing a helmet reduces the odds of being killed in a motorcycle accident by a staggering 37%. Quite possible they may have still been killed with helmets, but I like my odds a LOT better WITH one. A GOOD one at that. .........Like Forest Gump said, "stupid is as stupid does". [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 08-07-2012 12:56:51 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to MF Poor, 08-07-2012 08:37:08   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Ah you misunderstood where I was coming from. I really don't think if they hit that tractor hard enough to knock the wheel off that a helmit would have made any difference. That's the point I was trying to make. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
MF Poor 08-07-2012 14:51:40 50.96.253.180 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to oldtanker, 08-07-2012 12:56:51   I didn't miss your point. I'm not stupid. I can read. However, ANY time ANYONE tries to make a case for NOT wearing helmets for any reason whatsoever, OR, makes a comment to the effect that a helmet wouldn't have done any good, I'm going to pass along the FACT that anyone who climbs on a motorcycle without a helmet is a flippin' MORON. Wearing helmets may or may not have saved them. But the fact remains, leaving helmets sitting on the kitchen table(or where ever they were instead of on their heads) DEFINATELY contributed to their deaths. [Reply]  [No Email]
oldtanker 08-07-2012 17:23:19 66.228.255.239 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to MF Poor, 08-07-2012 14:51:40   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Again I wasn't trying to make a case for not wearing a helmet. I was saying in this case a helmet would not have saved them. We had a guy in Germany in the 80's who hit a car head on. He was wearing a helmet. He hit so hard that his head was mishapped. I'm pretty sure that that young man and woman would have died anyway when they hit hard enough to break that rear wheel center. And the fact the news media was quick to point out they were not wearing helmets. Kinda like that mad man who ran over the police cars that they charged him with fleeing the scene of an accident....WTF???? He deliberately ran over those cop cars. It was destruction of property not an accident so how can they charge him with fleeing????? I stopped riding years ago. While I was in the Army you had to wear long sleeves, gloves, long pants, shoes that covered the ankle, windshield or goggles/face shied and a helmet. Then they decided that you had to wear a reflective vest like road construction workers wear. That's when I quit riding. Rick [Reply]  [No Email]
helmets 08-07-2012 15:32:07 198.53.67.9 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to MF Poor, 08-07-2012 14:51:40   I think the people that ride around in t-shirts, cut offs and sandals are just about as stupid as the ones that don't wear helmets. Being a little hot in a leather jacket sure beats what road rash would be like if you had an accident in a t-shirt. [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy Shafer 08-07-2012 06:51:21 173.184.80.185 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to oldtanker, 08-07-2012 06:10:41   Speed may have been a factor. Ya think. Doesn't look like much of a road you could pass on. [Reply]  [No Email]
Indiana Ken 08-07-2012 07:19:16 66.249.234.244 Report to Moderator	Re: Another accident in reply to Billy Shafer, 08-07-2012 06:51:21   From the video the motorcycle appears to be a small bike...maybe a 250 cc single. I would not think such a small bike could go fast enough to break a wheel off a tractor. Also, where is the damage on the bike...? My brother was rear ended several years back which broke the rear axle of the tractor however that was a full size car. [Reply]  [No Email]