Speaking of Technology (pics)

in-too-deep

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Here's some pictures of my office. : )

I counted 43 buttons, 30 switches, and 15 knobs. Give or take a few.
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Ditto. Getting too complicated for me, course I am not a mega farmer and precision is not a requirement for me. Nice to have all the gadgets however to help you make a living. Nice.

Mark
 
All that expencive, complicated "gobletygoop" makes my old letter and '56 sreies tractors look pretty damn good!
 
Nice!! I just seen in the Farmer that John Deere has a hay moisture tester that mounts right in the baler and has a read out on a screen, going to check it out.
 
I used to be afraid of computers 10 or 15 years ago. Never going to tuch one. Now, I'm owned by countless. My cell phone will do more things than the space shuttle did, faster too.

Mark
 
What size is the planter you are pulling? I work for a large dairy farm we got thru planting corn a couple of weeks ago. We have two DB60 36 row planters. We planted over 7000 acres.
 
Being a simple man, I like my modern technology when I'm planting. I just have to make sure I hit the brake and turn sharp enough to get the marker to switch sides when I turn around on the headlands. I have to stand up and look in the seed boxes now and then to make sure the level of the seed is going down. I get off now and again and make sure the tube to the planting shoe is not plugged and the seed is getting into the ground.
It use to be I could climb up on about anything and figure out how to operate it. I just get confused when I get into something like you have there.
 
Hello in-to-deep: Well... lets add it up. Maybe a $1,000 average for each Button or switch or knob? Just about $90,000. humm Whatta deal and a lot more 'progress' in the future?
 
I think 90k might be on the light side. Glad it's not me making the payment. No one said progress was cheap, that's for sure.
 
I know any piece of machinery needs a little bit of engineeering to make it sucessful, but that many switches, buttons, and guages in any machine is just wrong. Used to me you had to know what you wre doing to run a piece of equipment. Nowdays they've tried to engineer the human equation out and make the machine do all of the work. I guess it's just all part of the dumbing down of the human species.......Ever see the movie Idiocracy, with Luke Wilson, or the animated WALL-E movie? Both movies were a bit exagerated but given the current trends in technoligy I can see humans being nearly there in the not too distant future.

On another note, if my experience with the 9930 Deere cab I'm using in my latest project is any indication, just wait until there are problems with any of it. I've called three different Deere dealerships and Deere itself and so far can not even get anyone to tell me what wires go to what in the top of the cab. There are only 6 of them and they are all color coded and numbered....finally figured them out on my own.... Then there are the ones going to the instrument cluster. Again, only a handful of color coded wires, and nothing. The dealerships say there is no actual wiring diagram for any of it, and the guy at Deere called back two days later and left a message saying he had found a little bit of stuff but then it "got really complicated". How complicated can a set of electric guages get? Ok, I say that, but I will admit I figured out all of the guages themselves, but have yet to figue out the deal with the high hydraulic temp and air filter restriction lights. Can't get the air filter to even light up (and I know the bulb is good), and the hydraulic lights up several different ways.
AQnyone got any ideas??????
 
Looks pretty busy in your office. I noticed those pictures didnt include the radio, cellphone/holder, and all the warning light/knobs on the instrument cluster.

I know some people are against technology, but I don't think you are going to knock out 5-10,000 acres on a WD pulling a 4 row corn planter. Guess you could, you'd probably finish planting just in time to start back at the beginning of your field with the pull combine or two row mounted picker.

Rick
 
Well, the first thing I would do with that dashboard is plaster a bunch of labels on it, in English, and in large print. The little pictures are right out of the days of Alley Oop and his buddies, before language and writing was invented, REAL HIGH TECH PROGRESS.
 
Technology and size do not have to go hand in hand. In fact technology often means things are smaller in size but expected to do the same amount of work. The problem with technology lies in things like auto idle technology, different computer programs every year or so, with still more differences between each mfg, different tier emission levels every couple of years, in addition to simply trying to make you feel like your in your car for a Sunday afternoon drive while your actually working.

On the last item, while I am all for being as comfortable as possible, work is work, and making things too cushy does nothing but make the kids ((and many adults)) of today too lazy to get off their a$$es and actually want to do anything but drive a new piece of equipment.

As far as the rest of the technology mess goes, think about this. The majority of engine wear happens at startup, and shutdown, so the auto idle feature on new engines is shortening the life of the engine, and turbo if equipped, dramatically. Then the new computer programming each year or so can make a $250,000 machine obsolete the year after it was built. The different programs between mfgs insures you have to call them and pay top dollar for any repairs needed vs being able to do it yourself, or have an independent (who works cheaper) do the $200 worth of work the dealership charges $1000 to do. In that case you now need that 20 plus row machine to insure you work fast enough to make enough to pay a repair (((often electronic))) that either wouldn't have been necessary on an older machine, or would have simple and cheap enough that it could have been paid for using a 4 row planter had you been able to do it on your own.

Then to make matters worse all of the new tier emission requirements means they are having to stuff more equipment into the same area on the machine that was origionally designed to hold nothing but an engine. To do any differently means redesigning the whole machine, often making it larger. The alternative, to keep it small, is to make 10 million new, one of a kind parts, and to fit each part together like a jigsaw puzzle. Doing this once again obsoletes your machine as soon as the next tier level and new one of a kind parts come out. Not to mention it now makes doing what used to be a 5 minute job into a 5 hour job just to get to the part that will only take 5 minutes to change once you get to it.

Having worked on equipment all of my life I have personally seen everything I mentioned above happen more times than I care to count. Funny thing is the customers always fuss and gripe about the same things I mentioned but when it comes down to the wire their answer to their own gripe is to buy another new machine that will cause them even more headaches and cost them even more to repair. Saddly the new machine is often purchased because they couldn't get parts for the last $500,000 machine they bought because it was more than 10 years old.........Remember when a machine was actually designed to last and support was offered by the mfg for at least 20 years????????? Funny thing though, as son as the new machine leaves them out of work due to a technology related breakdown, they are off on a rant again about the junk that's being turned out nowdays and hwo it's all too technology oriented...........and the cycle repeats..........
 
Is it a CAN bus system? Could use the ladder diagram for that, for sure!

I am surprised JD cannot provide one. I mean, they built the darn thing, or did they sub-contract it out?
 
Just looked at this again and noticed I mentioned the auto idle feature, and not the auto shutdown feature on some equipment nowdays. While the auto idle isn't the greatest thing it won't kill an engine like the auto shutdown and restart systems in use on some cars, trucks, and some of the newest equipment.
 
I haven't seen the whole machine, but I don;t believe it was new enough to have the CANbus system in it, at least not for the part i'm working on. From what I have been able to figure out all of the guages work just like any other, normal, electric guage with a sending unit varying the resistance to ground to make the guage work. The only ones giving me problems are the two warning lights for the hydraulic oil temp and the air filter restriction sensor. From what I have deduced so far is that they both, somehow, had flashers inline to make them blink vs being solid. That still doesn't explain to me why the hyd light will come on when I put power to the one colored wire I assume is the hot leg, and then go out if I remove the wire from one of the two grounds, especially when it apears that one of the grounds works with (((and I assumed was tied in to)))) the guages and the other doesn't seem to be tied in to them and it being disconnected doesn't effect thir operation. BUT both of them seem to effect the hyd light. Then I have hotted the only wire left in the assumption that it was for the air filter, but it does nothig....and I know the bulb is good because I swapped it with the one from the hydraulic light. OH well, I guess I'll get it figured out eventually.....such is life in the repair industry nowdays......
 
Is the flasher unit there? Maybe it was an electronic flasher, and the one "ground" wire was for the flasher, when the system has power, and the other ground is just a common circuit ground, that was used when the flasher had an input signal to operate the flashing function.

Good luck. I spend a large amount of time with older electronics on farm/industrial/automobiles; It is always a hugely time-consuming affair!
 
(quoted from post at 14:03:09 05/12/12) Technology and size do not have to go hand in hand. In fact technology often means things are smaller in size but expected to do the same amount of work. The problem with technology lies in things like auto idle technology, different computer programs every year or so, with still more differences between each mfg, different tier emission levels every couple of years, in addition to simply trying to make you feel like your in your car for a Sunday afternoon drive while your actually working.

On the last item, while I am all for being as comfortable as possible, work is work, and making things too cushy does nothing but make the kids ((and many adults)) of today too lazy to get off their a$$es and actually want to do anything but drive a new piece of equipment.

As far as the rest of the technology mess goes, think about this. The majority of engine wear happens at startup, and shutdown, so the auto idle feature on new engines is shortening the life of the engine, and turbo if equipped, dramatically. Then the new computer programming each year or so can make a $250,000 machine obsolete the year after it was built. The different programs between mfgs insures you have to call them and pay top dollar for any repairs needed vs being able to do it yourself, or have an independent (who works cheaper) do the $200 worth of work the dealership charges $1000 to do. In that case you now need that 20 plus row machine to insure you work fast enough to make enough to pay a repair (((often electronic))) that either wouldn't have been necessary on an older machine, or would have simple and cheap enough that it could have been paid for using a 4 row planter had you been able to do it on your own.

Then to make matters worse all of the new tier emission requirements means they are having to stuff more equipment into the same area on the machine that was origionally designed to hold nothing but an engine. To do any differently means redesigning the whole machine, often making it larger. The alternative, to keep it small, is to make 10 million new, one of a kind parts, and to fit each part together like a jigsaw puzzle. Doing this once again obsoletes your machine as soon as the next tier level and new one of a kind parts come out. Not to mention it now makes doing what used to be a 5 minute job into a 5 hour job just to get to the part that will only take 5 minutes to change once you get to it.

Having worked on equipment all of my life I have personally seen everything I mentioned above happen more times than I care to count. Funny thing is the customers always fuss and gripe about the same things I mentioned but when it comes down to the wire their answer to their own gripe is to buy another new machine that will cause them even more headaches and cost them even more to repair. Saddly the new machine is often purchased because they couldn't get parts for the last $500,000 machine they bought because it was more than 10 years old.........Remember when a machine was actually designed to last and support was offered by the mfg for at least 20 years????????? Funny thing though, as son as the new machine leaves them out of work due to a technology related breakdown, they are off on a rant again about the junk that's being turned out nowdays and hwo it's all too technology oriented...........and the cycle repeats..........

I have always understood that it was cold starts that wore out motors not warm ones. And we all know that a diesel will not come up to temp unless under a load, and that without a load it cools down quickly, the pistons and rings contract, and there goes the fuel into the crankcase. Not with my diesels. If it's going to be over five minutes they get shut off. I even had a situation in mid winter where I left my truck idling for ten minutes, got back in and the cab was cold. Next stop I shut it off, got back in after 10 mins and the cab was still warm, and heater blew hot immediately on start up.
 
Illustrated here is yet another reason the used machinery market is so incredibly strong. Neighbor just purchased a middle of the road 1086 for almost $18,000.
 

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