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Hy Tran oil

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BartO

04-13-2012 07:27:48
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I have a International 340 which calls for Hy Tran oil in the transmission and hydraulic system. Through my employer, I can get high quality Shell Tellus T hydraulic oil for $5 less per gallon. I haven't started my research yet, so I will start it here. Does anyone know if using straight hydraulic will hurt the transmission?




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dboll

04-13-2012 15:48:31
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
We used tellus in wind turbine hydraulic systems. It is an iso32 hydraulic oil not trans/draulic oil. Hytran Ultra is top of the line and has good water carrying ability in the event of condensation. By Hytran or something with equal specs.



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farmer boy

04-13-2012 15:42:25
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
I see that you got it figured out, but just thought I would add that Walmart has trans-hydraulic fluid that"s $48.95 up here(Canada), so I can imagine it"s cheaper down there.



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northvale-PA

04-13-2012 14:56:45
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
so, I have a JD 4020 powershift. How is the Tractor Supply 303 fluid quality? I need to replace it all soon and we are talking 16 gallons.



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JDseller

04-13-2012 17:52:58
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to northvale-PA, 04-13-2012 14:56:45  
Make sure it is compatible to wet clutch transmissions. About fifteen years ago some of the TSC hydraulic oil stated it was equivalent to JD 303/Hy-guard oil. In the real fine print it stated it was not for wet clutches. We got three or four tractors in that the clutch facings had de-laminated from the clutch disks.

So if the TSC oil is $40 cheaper per five gallon pail then you can "save" $120 with the TSC oil over JD Hy-guard ($76.00/ 5 gallon). So you are gambling $120 against the life of the clutch packs in your power shift transmission. How long do you think that $120 will pay a mechanic/parts if the oil causes problems???

I do use cheaper hydraulic oil in older simple tractors (non wet clutches) that don't have selective control valves.( no mixed oil in cylinders) I just don't want to take the risk of causing a high dollar repair on a wet clutch pack.

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buickanddeere

04-13-2012 11:37:46
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
There is hydraulic oil and then there is hydraulic oil that is wet clutch comparable and/or has high pressure additives to prevent gear wear. Saving a measly $5 a gallon doesn"t compare to the thousands to repair trans clutches, brakes and hydraulic system components. With all the counterfeit fasteners, filters and oil out there. I wouldn"t dare purchase anywhere than the local CIH or JD dealer.

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BartO

04-13-2012 08:37:00
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
thank you, that is what i suspected. What I am curious about, is the NAPA oil (Hy Tran) meets a M-2950-S classification, as does the Shell Hydraulic. Could that be a hydraulic rating and nothing to do with the transmission portion?



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LJD

04-13-2012 10:35:18
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 Re: Hy Tran oil in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 08:37:00  
MS-2950-S is a list of specs for Vickers hydraulic pumps mostly associated with metal-wear protection. I've never bought combo trans/hydraulic oil that DIDN'T meet those specs.

When equipment companies come up with spec #s - it can be a combination of things. Viscosity, acidity, anti-wear protection, temp range, friction modifiers for wet clutches and/or brakes, etc.



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LJD

04-13-2012 07:36:49
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 Re: No good for what you need in reply to BartO, 04-13-2012 07:27:48  
Hydraulic oil does not have the EP antiwear additives that transnmission gears need. So yes it will "hurt" the trans since it won't protect it properly. Combo trans/hydraulic oil has the EP additives and also wet-clutch and brake additives.

I went to buy some this morning at my local NAPA as nearly had a stroke!. They want $66 per 5 gallon pail for combo oil and $56 for plain hydraulic oil.

I'm heading over to the "big city" where Tractor Supply is. $36.99 per 5 gallon pail for the combo trans/hydraulic oil. Right now - that is a real bargain.

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Ralph Bauer

04-13-2012 10:50:54
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 Re: No good for what you need in reply to LJD, 04-13-2012 07:36:49  
You may want to shop around, there are still places that sell it to you out of the bulk tank , just bring your own container, such as CO-OPs, oil/gas dealer, feed stores, etc. Check around.



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Bob Bancroft

04-13-2012 09:36:22
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 Re: No good for what you need in reply to LJD, 04-13-2012 07:36:49  
Mar. 27 both 15W40 and hy-trans. fluid about $9.40/gal. delivered, by the 55 gal. drum!



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BartO

04-13-2012 12:18:23
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 Re: No good for what you need in reply to Bob Bancroft, 04-13-2012 09:36:22  
Thanks guys, I bought the HyTran. OReilly was $50 a pail, although I went somewhere else. New to this tractor ownership thing, but its been a fun ride so far



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