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V4 wisconsin motors

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Ethan Chamberlain

03-06-2012 22:24:46
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Hello
Are the v4 wisconsin motors worth anything anymore, or are they fairly useless. Does anybody still run one on something? Thanks




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Ethan Chamberlain

03-07-2012 10:18:42
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
What are they worth now?



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JOB

03-07-2012 15:12:13
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-07-2012 10:18:42  
I bought a running VH4D made in 92 for $200.00 a month ago. I bought another VH4D from the early 70's a couple of weeks ago for $100.00. I am rebuilding another VH4D that was given to me and I just put around $700.00 into it. New pistons, rings, gaskets, rod bearings and a valve job that included valve guides and valves and labor. All parts bought from the Wisconsin Distributor in MN.


An old crank start Wisconsin with a magneto I might pay scrap price if I needed the sheet metal. Or I needed a part for another engine that I have. That is my opinion I am sure you will get others.

The old VE's and VF's and VP4 and some VG4's had poured rod bearings, to rebuild one of those would be foolish unless you wanted an Antique, or it had an electric start. Not many folks pour rods anymore.

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NCWayne

03-07-2012 20:48:44
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to JOB, 03-07-2012 15:12:13  
There are insert type rods available from Wisconsin for those engines if your so inclined to rebuild one with the upgrade.



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JOB

03-08-2012 04:23:56
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to NCWayne, 03-07-2012 20:48:44  
The VE and VF I would doubt they are still available. The crank bearing journals on the VH is 1/8 inch larger in diameter. Not sure if they are the same on the VP and VG, I was told they don't make the VG anymore so I would guess the only parts available is what is on hand. In my opinion the old ones with cranks and Mags are not worth fooling with except for parts.



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ray_woods

03-07-2012 10:08:50
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
I have chipper with one on it.



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Cas

03-07-2012 07:55:37
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
I have a VH4D in my JLG lift. It starts good and
is very economical to run. The machine is not used much.
I was a 13 year old when we had a similar engine on a Case 1 row corn chopper. It was the hardest starting engine a guy could have. Hand crank start and I time crank stuck on the shaft. Shot it too the moon. Never did find it that was in the late 50s



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Organicfarmer1972

03-07-2012 07:29:06
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
Several replys say they are popular, but no one listed what a fair price would be for a running engine.

I converted a JD baler to PTO and have one I"m wanting to sell.

Any ideas what I should ask for it?



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oldtanker

03-07-2012 07:21:24
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to WJD, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
We have a number of people around here that use em in old skid steers. These guys keep the price of used engines up because they can't afford to have them rebuilt and look to buy running used ones when they blow one. One nephew blew one one a 610 Bobcat about 3 years ago because he ran it out of oil. BIL spent 18 months trying to find a cheap replacement, then decided that at current used engine prices he was better off just buying a newer skid.

Rick

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Buickanddeere

03-07-2012 07:15:30
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
There was a batch installed on late 1960's Cockshutt swaggers that had problems. Low power, high fuel consumption , burned valves, melted cylinder heads. No amount of plugs, points, coils , carb adjustments compression tests and valve lashing made a difference. Found out years after trading the swather. Somebody at Wisconson had missed proper placement of some timing marks. The engine was running grossly retarded.

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Tramway Guy

03-07-2012 06:50:30
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
The Emissions regulations have virtually killed off all flat head engines like the VH4D and VG4D. You can still get new engines, but they are only to be used as replacements for existing units, and you will be asked for nameplate info on the old engine.
The V465D is an overhead valve engine and they have made it comply with emissions regs. It can be bought no problem. One version has fuel injection.
They also offer the W4-1770E for sale on new applications, it is a flat head engine based on the VH4D; also Tier II compliant. I suspect it is fuel injected also.

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Jeff NWOH

03-07-2012 06:05:33
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
My neighbor is still running one on his 1961 bobcat skidsteer.



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NCWayne

03-07-2012 05:56:07
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
Got a V465D sitting on my wood splitter. Got another VF4 currently torn down that goes on an old cement mixer I aquired last year. If they still have them there is a place in Chlt that does concrete sawing that had several saws with V Wisconsins on them that were turbocharged. I don't think this was a factory thing but one thing for sure those engines had some real power.



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greygoat

03-07-2012 05:46:07
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
NAH,! They are fairly useless, and not worth
anything but scrap price, but e-mail me your
address and i"ll do you a favor and haul them away for you!



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Roger in Iowa

03-07-2012 05:42:54
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
Just sold a VH4d (incomplete but not stuck) and VG4D parts to a fellow in Ankeny, Iowa that rebuilds Wisconsin V-4's. Had 12 he was working on.



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rustred

03-07-2012 05:36:07
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
still use a hesston 300 swather with a vh-4d. they were quite common on a lot of swathers, like cockshutt, vesatile, ihc, and case.



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LeonardWD45

03-07-2012 05:29:15
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
Lots of them still running on non-pto balers.

Leonard



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Brian Dan

03-07-2012 05:09:31
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
I run a VF4D on my wood splitter. It will run all day on five gallons of gas and never runs out of power. The engine will start in any weather cold or hot. in almost 30 years of service I have spent my be $50. on parts filters and oil.
Brian



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LJD

03-07-2012 05:00:56
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 Re: They are still made new in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
There are a lot of stump-grinders around with the overhead-valve 61 and 65 horse V-4s. I've got a VE flathead V-4 powered electric generator. I've also got several pieces of equipment with two-bangers, including one tractor that came from the factory with a Wisconsin TE.

A guy down the road from me has a big water-pump powered by an Wisconsin in-line four. Now, those are kind of scarce.

The flathead VG-4D is still made and sold new. So is the overhead-valve 65 horse V-4.

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JOB

03-07-2012 06:31:13
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 Re: They are still made new in reply to LJD, 03-07-2012 05:00:56  
I was at the MN. distributor a few weeks ago and was told the only Wisconsin's made today are the VH4 and the V465. And they are only building 30 more or less of the VH4 per month. He arrived at that conclusion by what serial number he got in an order and what serial number he got roughly a month later. He tried to order a cam gear for an older two cylinder Wisconsin, and Wisconsin said they would sell it to him at cost, $2,000. He did not buy the cam gear. They are a good engine but parts might be hard to find. NAPA no longer sells gaskets or pistons or bearings. That was my experience, you might have better luck.

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Bryan in iowa

03-07-2012 04:52:16
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
I have one on my log splitter .



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Old Roy

03-07-2012 02:03:04
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 Re: V4 wisconsin motors in reply to Ethan Chamberlain, 03-06-2012 22:24:46  
probably depending on HP My friend has a 65 HP on his ditch witch, and I know of several applications.



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