Paulson Loader / Round Bale ???'s

big a · Jan 18, 2012

Have an old Farmall M with Paulson loader. Need to move about 10-12 round bales a year to feed our hayburners. Our place is tabletop flat, and I would only raise them enough to travel. Seen enough accidents to know to be safe. looking to move bales in the 1250# range.

Loader is running off the belly pump, and it is making @700 psi. I never have reason to lift anything really heavy, so don't know what it WILL lift. I can calculate the cylinder force developed, but the geometry after that stumps me!

All this has is the trip bucket, and I am trying to come up with ideas for mounting a spear or forks. Any ideas that can be quickly removed to allow the loader to be used to move snow?

Fed round bales by the thousands years ago with an old Super M and an F-11 Farmhand with a grapple. Sure wish I had that old setup back, but I am pretty much stuck what I have for now. Having a hydraulic bucket would sure be nice, and I am wondering how well my idea would work without one.....

Any ideas or suggestions here? Thanks!

ihman73 · Jan 18, 2012

Had a couple neighbors around here move round bales in the 1000 lb. range with trip bucket loaders on both M's and Super M's that they had put spears on in place of the bucket. It can be done but be darn careful.

Jerry/MT · Jan 18, 2012

You could use the thee point with a spear to move bales around but if you have to lift them into a feeder, that won"t work.

The problem is that if you mount a spear in the bucket, it has a fixed orientation and as you raise the bucket, the spear points up, making it difficult to spear the bale. If all your bales are on the ground , you can probably orient the spear in such a way that it is horizontal when it"s near the center of the bale.
If you"re taking bales off a stack, you"d have to have at least two positions for the spear.

You can weld some home made pin fittings in the bucket bottom to attach to the spear frame and a top link for the top of the bale spear frame. You"ds adjust the top link to change the orientation of the bale spear frame (and consequently the bale spear itself) so you could pick up bales on the ground or off the stack.

I don"t know if I"m making myself clear. Bottom line there is a way to make it work, in my opinion. It"s not the easiest way to feed bales however. Some one else may have a better idea.

big a · Jan 18, 2012

I wouldn't need to lift them any higher than about 2' off the ground, to get them off the trailer, and no way on earth would I try to raise them enough to dump into the feeder. Only feeding a bale every 3 weeks or so, so not a big deal to just tip up the ring and set it back over the bale.

Got the rear wheels set as wide as possible, and 4 wheel weights.

Thinking it might be better to make a spear that can be pinned on with the bucket removed, so I can keep the load center closer to the tractor than possible with the bucket in place.

big jt · Jan 18, 2012

On the surface of your question I think you will
be pushing it with that setup. We have a JD 3020
with a 48 JD loader and we needed to coax it to
lift bales that weighed in that category off of
the cutting edge.

I think the geometry is simple though (I could be
wrong and often am) Just need to break it down.
Forget the angles in the loader frame as they are
just to get around wide front's. You have a
couple of levers. Lever one is from the
upper/rear pivot on the loader frame to the
lower/rear point where the cylinder is attached.
The other lever is from where the rear of loader
pivots to the center of the load. Multiply
cylinder force by the first lever and then divide
that by the second and you should be pretty close
to your lift force.

One thing you can do is shorten the second lever.
One way is as you described by using forks so you
moved the lift point from the edge of the bucket
to where the bucket it pins in. Nother thought is
to use some old hay forks like they used to use
for putting up loose hay. Chain this to the back
of the bucket, this may shorten it enough to move.

HTH

jt

willie in mn · Jan 19, 2012

Some people will wag their fingers at me, but here is another method.
Quick & dirty, no cost.
You would be surprised how easy it is to roll a bale by hand. Even easier if you can park the trailer near the feeding pen on a slight downhill slope. Roll the bale into the bucket & secure with a rope, chain, or strap. Try the lift. If it will lift, you are good to go. If it won't lift the bale, drive in reverse so the bucket doesn't dig in, & drag into feeding position. Might have to steer with brakes.
Even dirtier- roll the bale to the ground, throw a rope, chain, or strap around it & drag into position.
WJ

Dachshund · Jan 19, 2012

I have slid those bales with the bumper on the front of an 8N before - they slide pretty easy. Just push them to where you want them, then move the ring over the top.

M Nut · Jan 19, 2012

Neighbor moves about 20 1,000lb round bales each winter with an H and a farmhand loader. Seems to work fine for him. He even stacks them two high in his shed with that tractor with no trouble. I assume he has fluid in the rear tires.

rustyfarmall · Jan 19, 2012

(quoted from post at 21:32:03 01/18/12) Have an old Farmall M with Paulson loader. Need to move about 10-12 round bales a year to feed our hayburners. Our place is tabletop flat, and I would only raise them enough to travel. Seen enough accidents to know to be safe. looking to move bales in the 1250# range.

Loader is running off the belly pump, and it is making @700 psi. I never have reason to lift anything really heavy, so don't know what it WILL lift. I can calculate the cylinder force developed, but the geometry after that stumps me!

All this has is the trip bucket, and I am trying to come up with ideas for mounting a spear or forks. Any ideas that can be quickly removed to allow the loader to be used to move snow?

Fed round bales by the thousands years ago with an old Super M and an F-11 Farmhand with a grapple. Sure wish I had that old setup back, but I am pretty much stuck what I have for now. Having a hydraulic bucket would sure be nice, and I am wondering how well my idea would work without one.....

Any ideas or suggestions here? Thanks!

I've moved a few of the 1,500# bales with a Farmall H equipped with a #31 loader. Not something I recommend, but when in a pinch you do what you have to do. Just slip the bucket under the bale as far as possible, wrap a log chain around in front of the bale and fasten it back to the bucket and then pick up the bale and go. May have to experiment a bit to get the proper chain placement, but it'll work.

Nathan (SD) · Jan 19, 2012

I use a WC with a Paulson trip bucket doing the same thing you want to without much trouble. My bales are about 1100 lbs. I took the bucket off and rigged up my 3pt spear in its place. Been thinking about a way to dump the bale off the spear cuz sometimes the feeders get froze down. Been using the loader to break them loose so far. Having a M would be a dream.

donjr · Jan 19, 2012

PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE- Be careful with any loader and a narrow front! Had a good friend killed by his pond on a 630 with a loader. He was moving with a rock in the bucket and hit a rock with the rear wheel. It flipped the tractor, he went forward and over the low side and was pinned under the loader frame. Level ground isn't too bad, but you still have to watch a heavier load. Just a little speed and an obstacle in the wrong place can be very bad. He was on nearly level ground.

hd6g Tom · Jan 19, 2012

A good friend of mine was killed doing just what you suggest doing, M tractor flipped over putting bale in the feeder, wife found him 6 hours later. NOT a sight I want my wife to find.
BE CAREFUL.

smallercrawler · Jan 19, 2012

Does't answer loader question, but neighbor used to feed around 40 bales/year using Farmall Super A. Made hardwood sled about 8' long and 3' wide with 3 crosspieces on 2 6"x6" runners. Stood it up next to bale, put comealong around bale and sled, used tractor to tip sled down, then pulled it to feeding area. Not very "techie" but worked for him for several years.

Jim in michigan · Jan 19, 2012

I used my H to move 1000 pound round bales, I have weights on the rear tires and a 150 pound weight I made that hangs on the drawbar,H is a narrow front, I raise the bales just high enough to clear the ground and no more. I feed on teh ground with a bale ring. It works but I ouwld much rather use my snow plow truck, thats what I am doing now, I just roll them out of the barn and then push them the 100 yards or so with teh plow blade, much safer.

big a · Jan 22, 2012

Thanks for the input guys. I like the idea of being able to roll or push the bale into place, but have to make a few turns to get from where the bales are stored, so wouldn't work so well.

The neighbor I buy hay from volunteered the use of his tractor for me to feed them, and for the hassle involved, I think I may just take him up on his offer. Hate to borrow things, but this might be the best solution until I can come up with better equipment.

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