Dont let those kids drive a tractor!

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/02/3349745/proposed-changes-to-child-labor.html


Frickin' idiots !!!!!

Gene

Just another chapter in the dumbing down of America.

The simple fact is that some parents fall into the "Frickin' Idiots" category.

A neighbor of mine thought his 13 year old son was ready to go out on his own with a 4020 and an 18 foot disc.

He wasn't. He's forever 13 years old.

Sounds like you guys never grew up on a farm. I was driving tractor at 7 years old. Also drove Ford 1 1/2 truck in field while a guy on each side loaded hay. I know of several 10 year olds that can handle a 4 wheel drive better than a lot of adults.

That law most likely will not pass this year due to the number of responses against the changes. I was told this by my sons tractor safety instructor. Keep your ears open this year when it comes up again so we can spread the word. Last year it did not hit the news till after the dec 1st cutoff for responses.I heard about it through the farm bureau. Jim

Hate to say it but a lot of kids who have been taught how to operate a tractor safely don't have the maturity to do so when an adult isn't watching. I know of 2 local kids, both 16 at the time, on an open station tractor that witnesses say were zig zagging on a 2 lane black top when the driver over compensated and rolled the tractor killing them both. Both had their drivers licenses and had been raise on farms and had a lot of years driving tractors. A nephew has rolled 2 tractors, one when he was 14 and the other at 16, both on blacktop. He's been driving tractors sense he was about 8. Born and raised on a farm. Things are a bit different now. Back in the day dad would tan yer hide if he caught you doing something stupid......now in a lot of places that's not allowed anymore and the kids know if you hit them they can call the cops.

Rick

Doesn't affect your Farm child under 16 if working for free as I read the report. I wonder who the "Frickin Idiots" are.
Any one seen the child death statistics Nationwide.?

I drove tractors when I was 8. I was raised on a farm and just because a child gets hurt or killed doesn't change anything. I know of more adults killed on tractors then kids, maybe we shouldnt let them on tractors. Just my thought. ED

I wonder if it was the fact that the kid was 13...or was it because the parent just hadn't taken the time to properly train the young person? Most kids at 13 are pretty capable and can handle a tractor pretty well if properly trained. Why I even saw a mere woman running a 4020 in the movie "Bridges of Madison County". When I was 13 I was doing just about every farm task there was with a Farmall H (an allegedly horribly dangerous tractor because of it's tricycle design) on a diversified farming operation in the midwest. I had been trained how to do the job...simple as that. Some kids a lot older than I was were doing some pretty dangerous things with tractors, things that I knew better than to try. I guess they hadn't been trained very very well. Some adults were getting injured and killed too because they didn't realize all the hazards of power machinery.

Generally speaking, kids who grow up on farms and learn to drive tractors and other equipment at an early age are the folks who learn the use of common sense and safe operating.
The really dangerous situations seem to be the guys who never had anything to do with equipment, buy a few acres, get out the slide rule, whip out the slide rule or engineering program, debate with experienced old time operators on YT about center of gravity, roll over coefficients...then go out buy their first tractor and roll it over!

(quoted from post at 22:09:51 01/05/12) Generally speaking, kids who grow up on farms and learn to drive tractors and other equipment at an early age are the folks who learn the use of common sense and safe operating.
The really dangerous situations seem to be the guys who never had anything to do with equipment, buy a few acres, get out the slide rule, whip out the slide rule or engineering program, debate with experienced old time operators on YT about center of gravity, roll over coefficients...then go out buy their first tractor and roll it over!

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You guys for the most part are older. You should really watch some of these kids today. After many years around tanks I know we had 2 kinds of guys that got hurt on em during training or on firing ranges. The older guys who thought they knew it all and were over confident and young guys who didn't respect the equipment. I don't know very many city boys who moved to the country and got hurt on a tractor or rolled one. Most of the injuries and deaths I hear about are older guys who think they know it all and kids who have been driving tractors for a while and think they are God's gift. Son in laws brother who grew up on a farm, was in FFA is missing most of his right hand becasue he plugged up a corn picker and didn't shut it off before he stuck his hand in it. He'd been running machinery for years, was 18 when he did it. Nephew grew up on the farm and rolled 2 different tractors as a teen. He has grown into a very stable and mature young man. But as a teen he was cocky and thought he knew it all. 78 year old farmer that I knew rolled an H with a baler and hay rack behind it moving to another field while on a tar road. Closed casket. Friends dad missing his right arm, grew up on a farm, "combine accident" after his kids were adults. Another friends grand pa rolled a tractor on himself when my friend was 8 years old, had been a life long farmer. In fact every farmer I know who has died or had a serious injury in a farm accident with have been life long raised on the farm guys with one exception and that one gets injured falling off of ladders and dropping heavy items on his feet, not on his equipment.

Rick

An interesting thing, those who are often rather abundant seem in favor of this law.

Wrap the kids up in cotton balls and keep them safe with nothing to do, I guess.

Perhaps they can all go out & play basketball like the video from the above thread, that will keep them safe.

--->Paul

These laws wouldn't come about it there weren't farm safety problems in the first place. Growing up in a farming community, there were more than a few horrifying farm accidents involving children. There's no such thing as an accident that isn't preventable, but a lot of farmers let children operate machinery with little or no concern for their safety.

Well these people are not going to stop until the stars on our flag are replaced with a sickle and hammer. Having your children operate a tractor should be based on a child by child basis, not government intervention. When my son was young he started driving my tractor before he could reach the pedals with me in the seat with him. When it came time he could drive the tractor on his own I was there every minute for several months supervising him. After that he had strict orders to keep the tractor in areas of my place where the ground was level. After a couple of years experience he allowed to do anything I would do. He was very good with the tractor and had a responsible disposition so I was comfortable letting him use the tractor. Had he been more reckless I would have made him wait until he was older.

Paul I really hope that wasn't a dig at me. I'm far from a abundant and never said I was in favor of that law. I just pointed out that I hear of one or 2 serious farm accidents a year involving new people to farm equipment and all the rest are people who grew up farming and their children.

I think all th laws about bike helmets for kids are stupid too. When the kooks who pushed that did it they complied data of deaths and head injuries of children from birth to age 25, yes [b:859f5a2eac]twentyfive[/b:859f5a2eac] over a [i:859f5a2eac]number of years[/i:859f5a2eac]. I know of one case sense that happened where a kid broke his arm, Doc in the ER has to by law ask "were you wearing a helmit" kid says no and the parents got fined.

This one bothers me because they have tried to sneak in the back door.

I just don't agree that it's all the city guys that are stupid and get injured in farm accidents. Heck most farmers don't get involved in 50 car pile ups during rush hour in the city.....cause they are on the farm figuring out how to snatch something out of a running machine or a classy way to roll that tractor! (JOKING)......

My sis and her husband farm. Sis is a city girl who has driven tractors and done other farm work. 9 kids. Sis has never been hurt. BIL has injured himself more than I care to remember and he grew up farming. Just always trys taking short cuts. Out of 7 boys only one has rolled a tractor, twice because of dumb stuff, another was forced off the road and rolled by a tourist who did stop and admit fault. 2 of em have been in jail. But my youngest son who grew up around Army bases the first time he worked on a farm saw another life long farmer running through his hay field on a 1370 case, round bale on the loader and one on the 3 point in road gear and commented how stupid it was.

Rick

Leave us alone big brother. Young folks got to learn how to work, especially if they are farmers. Anyone who's been around farms knows accidents are going to happen. I know older and younger farmers who have had accidents. It's sad but I hate seeing kids just doing nothing but playing with computer stuff.

(quoted from post at 01:09:51 01/06/12) Generally speaking, kids who grow up on farms and learn to drive tractors and other equipment at an early age are the folks who learn the use of common sense and safe operating.
The really dangerous situations seem to be the guys who never had anything to do with equipment, buy a few acres, get out the slide rule, whip out the slide rule or engineering program, debate with experienced old time operators on YT about center of gravity, roll over coefficients...then go out buy their first tractor and roll it over!

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roud of your education ?Did you know that attending grade 6 twice doesn't mean you graduated with a grade 12.

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Frickin' idiots !!!!!

Gene

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Has anyone (besides me) actually read this article before they made comments? I don't see how. It has almost nothing to do with restricting anybody's kid from driving a tractor or doing anything else on the farm. It's about hiring other kids under 15 to drive tractors for you or hiring kids under 18 from doing other 'dangerous' farm work (i.e. silos).

It has to do with labor laws, not government invasion of the family farm. This is the kind of journalism that's easy to read the headline and jump to conclusions. I blame the press a lot for this, but readers need to watch out too.

Quite frankly, I believe more of these laws are enacted by self-proclaimed "conservatives" because they themselves were personally affected by whatever the law prohibits.

I've seen it so many times. Conservative city councilman's kid falls off bike, gets concussion. Next week, helmet law...

What's the first thing out of most of your mouths when you see an injustice? "THERE AUGHT TO BE A LAW!" Then when a law is enacted, "Oh woe is us! The commies are taking over!"

Ya can't have it both ways. Either take responsibility for yourselves, or let the government do it for you. Don't cry for laws, then cry because laws are made.

that is total bs