Keeping cattle.......

Anonymous-0

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Neighbor milks a few cows.... Been to his place several times but was never in his barns where the cattle is. Was there yesterday to help him carry something and was in the barns. Kinda hard to see.... They were clean and well taken care of but chained in place with room to stand, lay, eat and sh!t. That's the milkers. He had a few calves an crates (??) made from europallets (32x48 inches x waist high.) Butcher bulls (steers) had even less room.... 40 altogether in a place you folks may have as a workshop........ Only daylight they see is an open door. Again, place was very clean and animals are all clean, fat, and healthy, just the thought I guess..........
 
I'm not a bleeding heart. The truth is, I'm probably a little on the cold side. As far as I'm concerned, animals are property. They are not entitled to rights. If the owner treats them as he sees fit, that's how it works. I read a couple years ago of an animals rights group that was able to deprive a farmer of his cattle, for not feeding them enough, yet the group had to beg contributions to feed their ilgotten cattle. When ultimately the animal will be killed and used for food, it's hard for me to judge anything less then killing the animal as cruel.
 
I don't like tie stalls either, they are banned in new zeland I
think it is. Every December my father in law brings in his beef
cows until next may. They r tied there for 5 months. We did
get him to put rubber matts in for better Cow comfort. I leave
my beef cows out year round with a shelter for them to go in
and out of. Alot of dairies r using free stalls now.
 
I know what you're saying.

On the other hand go through an 'inner city' school or some of the lower class housing districts & look how we keep our kids..... And that is really sad.

Cows like a slow paced, regualr, feed-filled life. if every day is the same, they are contented creatures. I'd want a little more out of life, but by all observations, this is all a cow hankers for.

Do they get some outdoor or bigger pen time when they are dry - not being milked for a few months?

--->Paul
 
I do not like tie stalls either.
All the dairy cows in our area are on pasture about 20 hrs a day. They are only brought to the barn twice a day for milking.
Calves on a bottle are a different story. They are tied up 24/7 till they are weaned.

I am not a animal rights kind of person but can not stand to see a caged animal. This includes stall kept horses; caged hunting dogs; stall dairy barns; zoos; ect.
I just feel if you do not have a fenced yard big enough to let it get some free choice exercise you just as soon not own one.
 
(quoted from post at 19:23:03 12/15/11) Id say its time you started minding your own business.

hit close to home???? Or did you mix your meds???

As for turnout time, there is none. No place for it. He's not doing anything wrong and the state vet is there monthly because they produce milk and sell veggies, eggs, meat (rabbit/poultry) from the place. Just a little strange to me
 
Here dairy cows are outside, it was kind of a shock the first time I saw a dairy in Wisconsin in the dead of winter, the cows were standing or laying down with their heads in the stanchions. It make sense when it is 10 below to keep them inside, it s just not what is done 300 miles south.
 
Dave,, a cattleman that raises his cattle for profit will keep his stock comfortable and productive. There are many enviroments that cattle are comfortable. It usually depends on the efforts of the owner. There are livestock owners (including horse owners) I have met that should not be raising RATS. Wayne
 
(quoted from post at 22:21:40 12/15/11) Dave,, a cattleman that raises his cattle for profit will keep his stock comfortable and productive. There are many enviroments that cattle are comfortable. It usually depends on the efforts of the owner. There are livestock owners (including horse owners) I have met that should not be raising RATS. Wayne

That's true.... Places aren't that big in this area so standing in a clean tie stall could be preferred over standing kneedeep in a too small inclosure. The tie stalls are real common in this area, was just new to me when I saw them.....
 
(quoted from post at 10:23:42 12/16/11) We have a saying on the farms here in sd, "Just worry about things on your side of the fence".

dam.... some of you folks get touchy for no reason.....Either I hit close to home or you should try a few florescent lights to brighten your mood a little til spring comes........
 
I can't speak for the others Dave,but your first post comes straight from the "Peta-ASPCA" playbook on creating trouble for ALL livestock owners.I'am sure someone could write a post on your Horse-Puppy mill setup that could bring bad results if the right animal rights person wanted to push something.Or is that your goal as a member.???
 
(quoted from post at 12:02:21 12/16/11) I can't speak for the others Dave,but your first post comes straight from the "Peta-ASPCA" playbook on creating trouble for ALL livestock owners.I'am sure someone could write a post on your Horse-Puppy mill setup that could bring bad results if the right animal rights person wanted to push something.Or is that your goal as a member.???

not quite sure what you read but I guess you know. Wasn't where I was going at all. Just commenting that it was something unusual, not illegal.
Look at /interpret it however you want tho... If it offends you, it was because you wanted to be offended... Now that you got your fix, you can enjoy the rest of the day.....
 
We have tie stalls, but pasture in season.We let cows out at night in summer. I hate to say it but our cows spend most of the winter in the barn.When we do let them out they circle the lot twice and stand at the gate bawling to get back in the barn.They would rather be in the barn than outside.When we let them out milk production always goes down.We do have a well lit barn with fans for air movement.I do not like stantions,years ago people were put in stocks for punishment and cows in stantions are the same thing.
 

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