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I went to a gun range last week....A guy had 2 of these guns. Holy Crap they are loud. Sounds like a cannon going off.
I have never fired one, and I dont think I want too. I brought along 1 of my Winchester .30-30 rifles. (always fun to shoot) iron sights, makes me feel like I am in the old west.
I have never fired one, and I dont think I want too. I brought along 1 of my Winchester .30-30 rifles. (always fun to shoot) iron sights, makes me feel like I am in the old west.
Anonymous-0
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Finland also made and used them, and those are generally consideded the best. I have 2, a rifle and a carbine. What is not to love, a $100 rifle, ammo at $99 for 440 rounds, accurate, powerful and reliable. I have hunted deer and wild pig with mine. I have also shot once in the CMP military rifle games, it is ok, but for that I prefer the 6.5X55 M96 Mauser.
Anonymous-0
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I have one that has the Zar Nicholest crest on it for arm looks like it has been though a couple wars
Bought one for my dad back in the early 90's but I'm not sure exactly what model it is. Like you said it's one heavy gun but it also packs a heavy punch. It's been years since I shot the thing but I do remember putting a hole completely through a tree that was nearly 12 inches in diameter at close to 100 yards...with iron sites. All it all it might be heavy but for what you get in the way of stopping power and accuracy you can't beat it, especially when you add on the low cost for the gun as well as for the ammo.
I got one years ago. Came wrapped up and packed in cosmoline. It was brand new. I unwrapped it and cleaned it up ,but never fired it. It is a very good looking gun and appears well made.
I also got a French gun in the same condition. Those French ones sure are crude made though.
I also got a French gun in the same condition. Those French ones sure are crude made though.
GeneMO
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What condition was the French gun in? Dropped once, Dropped twice, Never fired, Never loaded?
Gene
Gene
Tony in Mass.
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Not necessarily -unsafe, but for collectors, worth alot more if there were never messed up in a pile of a hundreds at an arsenal. There could be a headspace issue, but never mind 'a compitent gunsmith' they either don't have the headspace gauges anyway, or it will be there forever collecting his dust. They were all checked when imported, the bolt was probably swapped 50 or more years ago. fire one bullet, if the empty doesn't extract, or the case comes out cracked or bloated, then bring it to someone. Otherwise keep shooting. If it is the long barrel, it won't kick worth talking about. Loud yeah. The ammo is all 'corrosive primer', so you need to clean it well every day you shoot it, don't let is stay dirty even a few days in summer. Mine was made in Springfield mass, in 1917, by 'New England Westinghouse'. the earliest you may see is 1894 or so, but unless you read cerilic... some are Remington, Swiss, a few countries made them. Some national guard units had them in the 20's but the army didn't want to supply 2 calibers. The last were made in China and I think Poland in the late 50's/ early 60's. Had to have something good about it to last that long.
Anonymous-0
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I have two of them. Both of them are carbines( one with no bayonet and the other has a folding bayonet. They are not as heavy as the full size rifle.
It's always been something we had, but never really thought about shooting. Same as our Remington rolling block .43 Spanish and Sharps .50 carbine, just a relic to keep. Once I layed eyes on my dad's 1959 Model 70 Featherweight 30-06, all my interest was off those older rifles. Glad my mom has kept the older ones tho.
old
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Many type of that rifle. The M38 or the M44 or the M91 and then the many sniper rifles from that receiver. I have the Fin army sniper base receiver of the mosan nagant but with a bull barrel. I still need to finish the bolt but once done it should be a 1000 yard plus rifle. I also reload and use match grade ammo to do so
Wow,...I am not alone,..glad I started this thread! I love my Nagant, and what is also very interesting is if you watch some WW2 movies, (such as "Enemies at the Gate") you will see this rifle, as well as in the "Call of Duty" video game. I am not a video game player, but my son has this game and it is very cool!
I really like this rifle and have no regrets purchasing it for only about 100 dollars. Great rifle to have just to say you have one.
I really like this rifle and have no regrets purchasing it for only about 100 dollars. Great rifle to have just to say you have one.
Tony in Mass.
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Wow. your dad had good taste. Your sharpes is the 50-70 centerfire? You have some cool oldtimers there! too bad the 70 is the only one you don't have to learn reloading for.
I've heard of these rifles but not sure I've seen one in person, what caliber was it originally chambered in? I've been told I have a 1917 Enfield (is that correct?) in .303 British at my Dad's waiting for me, not sure why he won't hand it over now. I've shot it a couple times, and throughly enjoyed it. I'd love to add a M1 Garand and a M1 carbine to my arsenal. Something about wrapping my hands around a piece of history just gets me fired up!
Richard from SE AZ
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I have the carbine and a whole pile of ammo. I and my grandson have shot it but he can only put a few rounds thru it because it kicks like a mule. He is only 13. I have a question about mine,the bolt will not close smoothly on a round. The bolt has to be slapped down pretty hard to close the bolt. I have not seen any problems with the empty cases. What could be the problem. Headspace???
Anonymous-0
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If it is a 1914 or pattern 14 Enfield it is in 303 British. If it is a 1917 Enfield, it is 30-06. Some pattern 14's were built in 1917. During WW1 US Doughboys carried 1917s in France much more often than 1903 Springfields. Also, we have pictures of US troopers with 30-40 Krags in France, but nothing written has been discovered.
Anonymous-0
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The same old crap.
Herbert Johnson
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Clean the chamber real good with a brush. When cleaning the bore the chamber is usually ignored.
Rich Iowa: The vast majority of Mosin-Nagant rifles are chambered in 7.62 x 54R. The "R" stands for "rimmed". You'll sometimes also see it referred to as the 7.62 Russian or the 7.62 x 54 Rimmed Russian, depending on your source--this is, after all, a round that's over 100 years old and some confusion is understandable. Ballistics are very close to the .308 or .303 British, thought the rounds do NOT interchange.
Thank you Tim, that is all very interesting information. I've seen the 7.62 Russian designation somewhere but a quick look through my RCBS reloading manual didn't reveal any cartridge that you mentioned. Since it is such an old round, they may have it under another name. Will look more in depth this afternoon. Thanks for filling me in.
Rich: that's odd--everybody and their brother makes reloading components for the M-N as there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 17,000,000 of them made and thus there's a lot of them still around. RCBS makes dies (Midway has a full page of just RCBS dies, and 2 pages total of dies from various manufacturers) so there's no reason they shouldn't offer reloading data. One odd note--Midway also lists the RCBS dies as being for the 7.62 x 53R (that's 53--no typo, at least not on my end) cartridge. Might be yet another name for it, though it's not one I'm familiar with, granting that I'm no authority on the gun or cartridge, and it has had a long enough life to occasionally surprise even the experts!
Midway dies for Mosin Nagant
Midway dies for Mosin Nagant
jose bagge
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I"ve got the Chi Comm gun chambered in 7.62 x 54....bout 3 outta shot guns news for $39 each about 20 years ago. THey are pretty good shooters
MNGreybeard
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As someone brought up Sharps, I have a 45-120 Quigly model with the long brass telescope sight. It"s fun to shoot but also a handful. It weighs just under 16 lbs with the scope.
My mistake. I thought he was still talking about M-N's when he kind of changed directions and was talking about other rifles. No-nothing wrong about what he said; he just wasn't too clear initially. sorry-
And--not nearly enough time to tell you all I've learned about rifles and shooting and reloading in my 68 years. OK, Bucko????
And--not nearly enough time to tell you all I've learned about rifles and shooting and reloading in my 68 years. OK, Bucko????
Speaking of the Winchester .30-30 rifle or the like, why didn't they use them in the 1st and second World War. They could have made steel jacket shells for them.
I had a 303 when I was about 18 and thought it was heavy compared to my Grand Dad's 38.40.
Also, about that time I saw the movie Winchester '73 with James Stewart, Great Movie then. That's when I wondered why and still do.
1914 Enfield- Pattern M14- was chambered in .303 british service round. The later model 1917 Enfield was in 30-06. Both made in US for WW1 use, first M14 for British service and M17 rechambered for 30-06 for US service. More Enfields available than Springfields- Springfield quantity production of 1903 delayed until declaration of war, the Enfields were made by commercial manufacturers for British early in war and tooling , production lines available for US army needs when war declared as British contracts were just finished. Decent guns for the time, Enfield pattern avoided some Mauser patents so less restriction on production for war use by Mauser home country enemies when made in 'neutral' country. RN
7.62x53r for the Russian round? Reference to Finnish Civil Gaurd rifles post WW1 that were rebarreled with Mauser pattern rifling with a .308 groove instead of Mannlicher pattern .310 grooves. Bullet used was a .308 instead of .310 nominal- accurate in rifle, acceptable in machine gun. Use of .310 bullet in Finnish Guard rifle results in higher pressures, less accuracy usually. Reloading manuals often give loads for .308 bullets seperate from .310/312. Since many Finnish Gaurd rework rifle sold surplus in US the ammo designation as used by Finns makes sense. RN
1894 pattern Winchester is good sporting gun- but military service is a little different that deer hunting. The need for servicability in field conditions is important, rapid reload is another. Some records indicate off shelf purchase of 94 in 30-30 for secondary troops, Rifleman last year had short article about 200 issued North West US for coast watchers and engineers. 165 grain full patch flattened tip roundnose bullets used for 'military' issue but the lead nose civilian issue also used for general security and training. Compared power levels of 30-30 and 7.62x39 Russian at 100, 200 meters or yards- close enough for government work. RN
Anonymous-0
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I had a type 53 carbine, noisy ,nasty thing, just as soon had the 91 long rifle
Taking apart a lever action rifle is tough, so I have read. I have never taken apart a lever action rifle and would think doing a full tear down in a fox hole would be difficult.
I dont know what rifle(s) were used in the Spanish American war in the 1890's
I have to look up what rifle was standard issue in WW1.
In WW2 the main issue rifle was the M1 Garand, A semi-auto rifle that fired a .30 caliber bullet, .30-06 on most I think. And General Patton made the remark "the M1 Garand rifle is the best battle rifle ever made" I may be off a few words there but If Patton liked it then it was better then good. The Jabs and the Nazis had Bolt action rifles in the battle field and we had semi-auto rifles for quick follow up shots.
I have also read that a lever action rifle does not give as good of accuracy compared to other rifles due to a 2 piece stock and a thin walled receiver. (so says the NRA firearms sourcebook)
I can still hold a group the size of a baseball at 25 yards with open sights with my Winchester while standing. (fun too)
I dont know what rifle(s) were used in the Spanish American war in the 1890's
I have to look up what rifle was standard issue in WW1.
In WW2 the main issue rifle was the M1 Garand, A semi-auto rifle that fired a .30 caliber bullet, .30-06 on most I think. And General Patton made the remark "the M1 Garand rifle is the best battle rifle ever made" I may be off a few words there but If Patton liked it then it was better then good. The Jabs and the Nazis had Bolt action rifles in the battle field and we had semi-auto rifles for quick follow up shots.
I have also read that a lever action rifle does not give as good of accuracy compared to other rifles due to a 2 piece stock and a thin walled receiver. (so says the NRA firearms sourcebook)
I can still hold a group the size of a baseball at 25 yards with open sights with my Winchester while standing. (fun too)
Tim: You would think RCBS would have loads worked up for the 7.62x54 but all I have in my book is 7.62x39. Since I don't own a rifle in the caliber, I guess I won't worry about it, but does seem odd. As for the Enfield.... Sounds like I should do some investigating on what is at my Dad's and find out about aquiring it.
That"s what it is, although it"s usually most noticable when ejecting a fired case. Check the serial number on the bolt - most likely it won"t match. If you have access to other MGs try swapping bolts until you find one that works better. I used to have access to several dozen MGs that did not have matching bolts, so what did is to swap around bolts until I found bolts that worked best. - In my lifetime I"ve owned 10-12 MGs, the one that became my personal shooter (and collecter piece) is a very early Mdl. 91 w/a 31.5" open topped (no upper hand guard, flats milled across the receiver) barrel, steel sling swivels, beautiful beech wood stock, etc. The price, if I had to sell, is $1,000. I alse have a Tokerev sniper model, a SKS, a Nagant pistol, and several other Russian firearms. Russian guns are the kind one can drop in a mud hole, fail to clean, etc. and rely upon to function when/if necessary. Being a licenced collector I have many other pieces in my collection, but Russian guns are the ones I would depend on if/when the poo hits the fan, as I expect it will.
Charles H.
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Paid about a hundred dollars for it.
My son was at least 17 but if you are with him explaining some of the detailed history that the game does share,..he might not be so horrified when killing Nazis? Also,..I don't recall any concentration camp play either.
Bottom line is,...it is a game of good vs evil
B I L got a nagat, he thinks it will be worth something one day, "shure,'cuz they only make like 10 million or so of them" lol, he wasn't happy with me,
HOWEVER gunsmith friend of mine got some M1s the other day, one just happens to be made by a company that makes RED tractors, now that one is suppose to be worth keeping.
oh and to keep on track, my son is 13 shoots 4H trap and goes through .22 shells at home like water, HOWEVER when it comes to vida games, the only things he can shoot are aliens and zombies, he got his psp taken away for far as i can can care , caught him TWICE with the game Grand Theft Auto. he doesn't like it, but then he's out doing things, and not starring at that idiot box
HOWEVER gunsmith friend of mine got some M1s the other day, one just happens to be made by a company that makes RED tractors, now that one is suppose to be worth keeping.
oh and to keep on track, my son is 13 shoots 4H trap and goes through .22 shells at home like water, HOWEVER when it comes to vida games, the only things he can shoot are aliens and zombies, he got his psp taken away for far as i can can care , caught him TWICE with the game Grand Theft Auto. he doesn't like it, but then he's out doing things, and not starring at that idiot box
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