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went to a friends with the backhoe to fix his sewer tank he said he new where all the underground services are so i took his word for it. started to dig up the sewer tank pulled up many big roots and one of those roots had a plastic yellow wrap I shut the hoe down right away. the gas line it was i could smell and hear gas leaking. We phoned the gas company and they came within an hour and shut the valve. they put a temp cap on it and will repair on monday. So a person should always PHOOOOONNNNEEE BEEEEFOOOOORRRREEE YOOOOOUUUU DIIIIGGG
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Yeah at work one day I was waiting for the power company to kill the power in an underground splice box that had gotten buried. The homeowner was upset because they were having trouble finding it. HE REMEMBERED EXACTLY where it was "It's right here" he says and stamps his foot on the ground. Power company dug and probed and couldn't find it. Turns out it was 25 feet away right next to his driveway and didn't run anywhere near where he said it was!hahaha didn't see him for the rest of the day
 
working in the oilfield all these years been in many dangerous situations this is pretty minor but thanx alot for your concern and no i did not buy a lotto ticket but maybe i will tonight and if i win then i could fix up my old tractors and really go big time farming!
 
Anyone who owns a backhoe and doesn't know enough to
call for locates before digging should sell it while
they are still alive!!!!
 
i have worked for alot of different oil and pipeline companys over the years and when digging up a line their own saft books say a machine has to be 60 centimeters (2 feet) away from the line and the rest has to be hand exposed but what the book says and what really happens are two different things i am told to get as close as i can to the pipe with the hoe so there is less shovel work. If i told them the book says? i would not be hired again or if i accidently hit the pipe because i was to close i would not be hired again so as a contractor im stuck between a rock and a hard place safty is only an issue as long as it does not cost them any money. Not all companies are like that but a quit a few of them are
 
when you are hired by the hour it is up to the landowner to call for locates but if it was a contract job it would be up to me as a contractor to do all the nessesary steps to ensure the safty of my men and others
 
In ohio that could cost you several thousand dollars. It's the law you have to call before you dig and give them two days to check the area for utilities.You can't trust the property owner to call.
 
It happens, atleast you got everything shutdown quick. I have heard a diesel engine can runaway on the gas fumes, don't know if thats true or not.

I like that little bobcat hoe, never seen a set up like that before. Looks like 4 wheel steer, probably works good for tight spots.
 
As a plant maintenance manager for close to 40 years the accuracy of OOPS, the gas company and power company has been about 50% at best and even when we have contractors come in their accuracy of hitting them has been about 100% so in other words even if the operator shifts about 1 to 2 feet one side or the other he is able to hit it dead on. It's just a crap shoot the accuracy of locators is still suspect after all these years it just takes a little of the liability off of the contractor when they're called.
 
yep it true, only way to shut down a diesel sniffing gas is to shut off air supply. if you have time, if there a lot of gas they just keep reving till they blow.
 
most eqip that works in the oil and gas industry install positive air shut off on their machines what that is is a spring activated valve installed on your air intake of the motor some are manual operated from the cab and some operated by computer engine rpm
 
i have three hoes for sale and two dozers sounds like you know everything about the business you can come and buy me out!
 
They won't be worth very much if they're all burnt up. I know exactly where my lines are, I took photos of them when they were installed, and the gas line has a tape six inches under the grass.
 
When I bury anything like gas on electric or communications, I backfill with white sand. If I'm digging, and run into a streak of sand, it's time to hand dig - carefully!
 
I bet you are secretly in the real estate business. Look at that beautiful black Alberta dirt! 10,000 years of buffalo manure so I was told. How many people on this site don't even have good dust. You were tearing the meter off the house? whoa. Yep. Gotta call digsafe, even in the great white north. Hey, if it did go off, go get a dead cow and thro it in the hole till the gas people show up.... why waste fuel at these prices?
 
I think the rules are that if you are going to dig, you the person
doing the actual digging are responsible for the call for locates. As
a side note to locate markers, the most accurate locator I have seen
is the backhoe.
 
Tell yourself not us you were the one careless enough to start digging without getting the site checked out before hand.Its the law most places.If it had exploded you'd be responsible regardless of what the owner said
 
I been in the natural gas business for over 40
years involved with excavation, installation and
repair,if I were you with that attitude I would
find another way to make a living, yours is going
to get someone injured or worse. The person
running the controls is responsible for having
locates not the property owner. I have seen
contractors charged up to $100,000.00 for damaging
residential gas lines the law also allows for jail
terms. In very few cases are locates inaccurate
and if they are you are absolved of
responsibility( although that won't help if some
is injured).
 
We have Miss Utility here in MD that you call before any digging. If they were off in their findings you wouldn't be held liable. Hal
 
Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong, my friend if
you ever get in a court room your wallet will you
how wrong you are.
 
As a (power)line crew foreman I"ve heard lot's of great excuses for not calling locates.
I thought I knew where it was.
I seen it last time I dug here.
I'm a homeowner not a contractor I don't have to call for locates.
My favorite was the contractor who dug up every utility in the ditch and tried to tell me he wasn't paying for overtime when I showed up at 6pm to fix the primary and several secondary runs of wire he dug up. I told him I was getting paid overtime and weather he paid it or not wasn't my problem. (he broke his laborer's leg swinging the backhoe while backfilling later)
Bottom line locates are the best deal in America, one phone call and 3-4 people show up at your house and paint the grass all kinds of pretty colors FREE.
 
(quoted from post at 04:42:23 05/29/11)In very few cases are locates inaccurate
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I will disagree with this statement. In the last few years at work we have needed some holes drilled for various posts and such. And there have been a few that the locate said we were a ways (few feet!!!) from the utility and when the holes got drilled we were right on the utility.
 
Several years ago I was driving guide rail post along a drinking water treatment plant. We made the PA One Call to have everything located. After driving several posts we had one that didn't want to go drive in. Took the driving hammer to the top of the rig and let it go. The post went right out of sight. The water co. had forgot to mark a 30 inch cast iron by pass line.

Their welder spent days welding all the pieces back together. So you never can rely 100 percent on things being located correctly.

After all, how could miss locating a 30 inch water line?
 
I have been in the underground utility industry since 1990. Used to be there was an 18" leeway either side of the locate for a margin of error.

These days it is 3' either side and even if it is outside that 3' and you hit it, there will be a fight over who's fault it is.

What's worse is when you are trying to locate by hand and its way of or not even there. I've had guys dig a whole day only to find out what we were looking for wasnt there at all.

I was in a training school when I worked for Entex back in the 90's. There was a trade magazine there that had a bold head line on the cover saying " The world's only 100% accurate line locater ".

I opened the magazine up to see this locater and it was a picture of a backhoe.
 
If you care to check you will find that of the
millions of utility locates done annually in north
america the vast majority are quite accurate. There
will always a few exceptions because of signal
transfer, operator performance and electrical
interference. Even if the locate is not accurate you
will not be held liable, although as stayed before
this is no comfort if someone is injured.
 
(quoted from post at 07:42:23 05/29/11) I been in the natural gas business for over 40
years involved with excavation, installation and
repair,if I were you with that attitude I would
find another way to make a living, yours is going
to get someone injured or worse. The person
running the controls is responsible for having
locates not the property owner. I have seen
contractors charged up to $100,000.00 for damaging
residential gas lines the law also allows for jail
terms. I[b:44db6d6f7b]n very few cases are locates inaccurate
and if they are you are absolved of
responsibility( although that won't help if some
is injured).[/b:44db6d6f7b]
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I call BS on this. They will point the finger at you every time. I have seen it go to the lawyers when the locate was 10' off.

They are off by a foot or more as often as they or on the mark.
 
In Iowa from time to time they run commercials on TV that say its the law to call Iowa One Call at least 3 days before you dig. Do you have liability insurance that covers stupid?
 
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