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Re: REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVING IN THE USA

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John in La

03-16-2012 19:09:50
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Bob;
Yes 390.3(f)(3) does give you a exemption from a DOT#. The problem is does the cop that stops you feel the same way. Some think that entering a show makes you eligible for a prize. It might be best tractor and the prize may only be a ribbon but it is still compensation.
Stupid if you ask me but that is the way it is.

Lets put it this way.......
You haul a tractor with a brush cutter to a piece of property you own to cut your grass. You are exempt.
You haul this same tractor with a sickle mower that could be used to cut hay to a piece of property you own and you got real problems.

The difference is hay is a compensation. You either sell the hay or feed it to cows that you sell. You are still compensated.
I guess you could say you are cutting hay for the family horse. But who buys a tractor; sickle mower; hay baler; ect for just one horse.
Sounds more like a lie to get around DOT rules than the truth.

Hauling a tractor and using the going to a show line..... The tractor better look like it belongs in a show. Hauling a tractor for several states could also be seen as hauling for profit or delivering a sold tractor.

I know it's crazy thinking. But look at all the guys feeding a line just to get around rules. I would be willing to bet some of the people on this site advertising for tractor hauling are not legal. The good pay for the bad.

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welding man

03-16-2012 21:40:03
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 Re: REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVING IN THE USA in reply to John in La, 03-16-2012 19:09:50  
John, I disagree. The Feds do not classify prize money,trophys or ribbons as compensation. Read the intreprentation section of the regs.They state And I Quote;Guidence:The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation provided(1)the underlying activities are not undertaken for profit ie (a)prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes (b)The cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes and where revelant(2)corporate sponsorship is not involved. I carry a copy of this in my truck at all times and if I need it I will use it. If they don't like it, we will have our day in court.Since when is it against the law to have a hobby.Pulling a load of horses, a boat or a camper is a hobby. My tractors are a hobby and I enjoy them.

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John in La

03-17-2012 05:48:53
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 Re: REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVING IN THE USA in reply to welding man, 03-16-2012 21:40:03  
I agree welding man. It is right there in black and white but some of these young gung hoe cops could care less. I have seen some really off the wall tickets over the years and your day in court 3 states from your house usually does not matter. Most will just pay the ticket and be done with it and the cops know that.

Carry a copy of the regs in your truck. Hope your tractor looks like it belongs in a show.

The thing I can not understand is..........
Pulling a tractor behind a pickup could look like a bussiness even if you are a personal hobby.
BUT........
Pulling a race car with sponsors names plastered all over it behind a RV seems to be OK.

I am really into the safety side of the rules. I think the feds need to enforce the safety rules to the letter. Maybe even re-write some of the laws to devide the safety rules more so the exemptions are clearer.
But trying to add personal use into all our paper work would be just crazy.

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730d se

03-17-2012 07:15:58
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 Re: REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVING IN THE USA in reply to John in La, 03-17-2012 05:48:53  
John,

You hit the nails on the heads in my view. The rules are set up to protect all of us. As typical with politics, it turns in to a money machine and safety is not at the top, no matter what they try to say otherwise.
It is dangerous for a guy who seldom drives the rig, not used to the weight, stopping distances, etc., to go rolling off somewhere to "pick up a tractor". Safety has nothing to do with whether it is his play toy, if he makes money on it, or if he is actually a famrer.
If he runs through a traffic signal, runs over the vehicle in front of him, blows a tire and runs across lanes, the ugly result is the same.
I say we either set the rules for all, or drop them completely and everyone take their chances on the road.
We all have that thought that it "will not happen to us." Many people with that thought have been proven wrong, some of them are not alive to argue the point.

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rustyfarmall

03-17-2012 08:45:35
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 Re: REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVING IN THE USA in reply to 730d se, 03-17-2012 07:15:58  
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I agree 100%. Lets apply that same kind of thinking to the RVers also.



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